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Old 04-13-2019, 12:38 AM
 
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San Jose's number is from 2010, not 2017:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_...ty,_California
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Old 04-13-2019, 12:50 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Here are the 2017 Urban Area populations from the US Census:

1. NYC: 18,969,794 people
2. Los Angeles: 12,564,245 people
3. Chicago: 8,688,864 people
4. Miami: 5,948,057 people
5. Dallas: 5,618,620 people
6. Philadelphia: 5,529,307 people
7. Houston: 5,507,172 people
8. Washington DC: 4,957,133 people
9. Atlanta: 4,894,216 people
10. Boston: 4,384,673 people
11. Phoenix: 3,929,596 people
12. Detroit: 3,733,036 people
13. San Francisco: 3,497,079 people
14. Seattle: 3,333,028 people
15. San Diego: 3,136,669 people
16. Minneapolis: 2,796,036 people
17. Tampa: 2,618,101 people
18. Denver: 2,605,031 people
19. Baltimore: 2,275,937 people
20. St. Louis: 2,161,737 people
21. Riverside, CA: 2,045,567 people
22. Las Vegas: 2,040,011 people
23. Portland: 1,989,163 people
24. San Antonio: 1,946,610 people
25. Sacramento: 1,821,853 people
26. San Jose: 1,782,854 people
27. Cleveland: 1,765,779 people
28. Pittsburgh: 1,737,262 people
29. Orlando: 1,675,439 people
30. Cincinnati: 1,656,015 people
31. Indianapolis: 1,578,776 people
32. Kansas City: 1,577,744 people
33. Austin: 1,574,844 people
34. Columbus, OH: 1,474,650 people
35. Virginia Beach: 1,469,089 people
36. Charlotte: 1,407,793 people
37. Milwaukee: 1,390,634 people
38. Providence: 1,199,504 people
39. Jacksonville: 1,130,221 people
40. Salt Lake City: 1,092,661 people
41. Memphis: 1,074,348 people
42. Nashville: 1,058,818 people
43. Richmond, VA: 1,004,150 people
44. Louisville: 1,003,686 people
45. Raleigh: 999,001 people
46. New Orleans: 957,680 people
47. Bridgeport: 950,365 people
48. Buffalo: 936,829 people
49. Hartford, CT: 925,845 people
50. Oklahoma City: 923,927 people

Changes of the above urban areas, 2010 to 2017
1. Houston: +1,166,552 people
2. Dallas: +1,133,647 people
3. Atlanta: +1,002,058 people
4. NYC: +886,073 people
5. Phoenix: +855,655 people
6. Washington DC: +700,807 people
7. Miami: +669,963 people
8. Los Angeles: +554,709 people
9. Las Vegas: +544,278 people
10. Austin: +543,740 people
11. Denver: +537,519 people
12. San Antonio: +490,154 people
13. Charlotte: +481,142 people
14. Tampa: +405,387 people
15. Chicago: +398,015 people
16. Seattle: +397,780 people
17. Orlando: +379,647 people
18. San Diego: +378,934 people
19. Minneapolis: +358,071 people
20. Raleigh: +346,699 people
21. Sacramento: +338,809 people
22. Boston: +300,120 people
23. Indianapolis: +297,216 people
24. Riverside, CA: +287,582 people
25. Philadelphia: +277,986 people
26. Columbus, OH: +269,961 people
27. Nashville: +259,077 people
28. San Francisco: +242,429 people
29. Portland: +214,871 people
30. San Jose: +203,403 people
31. New Orleans: +193,740 people
32. Jacksonville: +190,559 people
33. Kansas City: +167,027 people
34. Salt Lake City: +151,796 people
35. Cincinnati: +141,096 people
36. Oklahoma City: +130,167 people
37. Baltimore: +129,982 people
38. Richmond, VA: +120,565 people
39. Louisville: +104,688 people
40. Memphis: +103,357 people
41. St. Louis: +83,513 people
42. Milwaukee: +72,450 people
43. Cleveland: +71,914 people
44. Pittsburgh: +49,767 people
45. Hartford, CT: +46,368 people
46. Bridgeport: +41,142 people
47. Virginia Beach: +26,383 people
48. Providence: +24,263 people
49. Detroit: +8,939 people
50. Buffalo: -4,929 people
Did you use the 5-year estimates?

I used the 1-year and came up with this.

UA.......2010............2017......2010-17 Growth....Area
SF......3,281,212...3,556,206.. +274,994..+8.3%..523 sqm
SJ.....1,664,496...1,802,777 ..+138,281..+8.3%...286 sqm
Total.4,945,708...5,358,983 ..+413,275.. +8.3%..809 sqm

San Francisco is by far the most compact UA among all that have 3 million+ people. Even if we combine SF and SJ it's still the smallest 3M+ UA in size.
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Old 04-13-2019, 02:19 AM
 
Location: White Rock BC
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Those Toronto numbers are off by a million. According to the latest StatsCan report, as of July/2018, Toronto UA which includes Hamilton and Oshawa {GTAH} has 7.6 million in less than half the square area of any US metros over 5 million. The GTAH is growing at 150,000/year.
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Old 04-13-2019, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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https://factfinder.census.gov

Geography: Urban Area - 400 (2010 definitions)
Table: B01003 (Total Population)

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Did you use the 5-year estimates?
Yeah I used the 5 year.
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Old 04-13-2019, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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San Jose's number is from 2010, not 2017:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_...ty,_California
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It's not accurate: SJ urban pop. is 1.938,000 for 2017. 1,782,000 was in 2010.

Except it's not. It's 1,782,854 in the 5 year ACS and 1,802,000 in the 1 year ACS for 2017. Unless you want to argue about it with the US Census, who is the only official governmental agency that comes up with these numbers. Do you think I just pulled these numbers out of thin air?

Apparently people in here still don't know the difference between "Urban Area" and a "Metropolitan Statistical Area." MSAs/CSAs are based primarily off of things like commute patterns and they include entire counties (and in a few MSAs in the NE, some independent cities that don't belong to a county). Urban Areas are defined not on commute patterns but on actual population density, business corridors, etc. The built environment as well as where people cluster together.

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...he-2010-census
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The Census Bureau's urban areas represent densely developed territory, and encompass residential, commercial, and other nonresidential urban land uses
The page is pretty big. You can read through it. There's no point in posting MSA/CSA/County populations when we're talking about Urban Area which is defined separately.

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Old 04-13-2019, 07:11 AM
 
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Interestingly wrong numbers. Milwaukee is almost 1.6 million, in real life.
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Old 04-13-2019, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Interestingly wrong numbers. Milwaukee is almost 1.6 million, in real life.
No it's not. It's just under 1.4 million for urban area. Urban area and metropolitan statistical area are not the same things. Think of UA is a subset of the MSA. It's not, technically but for most areas it is.

it's like everyone on this site only knows what a city and MSA are - the second someone posts about urban area, they don't seem to grasp the concept that it's not the same as the city or MSA and has separate requirements for what constitutes "urban area."

"Core Based Statistical Areas" is what they refer to as Metropolitan Statistical Areas and Micropolitan Statistical areas collectively. You can see how "Urban Areas" are separate from this and its own entity:
https://www2.census.gov/geo/pdfs/ref...geodiagram.pdf
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Old 04-13-2019, 07:36 AM
 
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So, which has more relevance? Which is more commonly used?
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Old 04-13-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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No it's not. It's just under 1.4 million for urban area. Urban area and metropolitan statistical area are not the same things. Think of UA is a subset of the MSA. It's not, technically but for most areas it is.

it's like everyone on this site only knows what a city and MSA are - the second someone posts about urban area, they don't seem to grasp the concept that it's not the same as the city or MSA and has separate requirements for what constitutes "urban area."

"Core Based Statistical Areas" is what they refer to as Metropolitan Statistical Areas and Micropolitan Statistical areas collectively. You can see how "Urban Areas" are separate from this and its own entity:
https://www2.census.gov/geo/pdfs/ref...geodiagram.pdf
I for one can’t fathom how by using different methodology you can get a different number
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Old 04-13-2019, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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So, which has more relevance? Which is more commonly used?
Depends on what you are looking for. MSA definitions take into account commute patterns, for example. Urban Areas have to do with the built environment, density, commercial corridors, etc. There are parts of MSAs that are considered rural - low population/person density and overall population, not many commercial businesses around, etc. Those wouldn't be counted in an Urban Area. Depends on what you're looking for.
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