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"It finds Milwaukee among the densest metropolitan areas in the U.S., with greater population density than many of the nation’s most populous metros, including Atlanta, Houston, and Seattle. n 2010, the Milwaukee metropolitan area – comprised of Milwaukee, Ozaukee, Washington, and Waukesha counties – ranked 15th in population density among the 102 metro areas in the U.S. with populations over 500,000, with a density of 5,258 persons per square mile. Milwaukee was second only to Chicago among Midwest metros."
"Louisville has an estimated population of 755,000 or 626,000 in the city proper excluding the consolidated community. The city has a population density of 1836 people per square mile."
I live in a suburb and our density is 8,400 psm.
You dismiss everything that doesn't fit your narrative and treat your opinion as fact. Sorry C-D posters prefer Milwaukee. No one has even said anything bad about Louisville yet you're so defensive (on the offensive).
That's cool...using that criteria, Louisville is a substantially larger city. Louisville is a growing city, while Milwaukee loses population.
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Louisville[l]
Kentucky
620,118
597,337
+3.81%
263.5 sq mi
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Milwaukee
Wisconsin
592,025
594,833
−0.47%
96.2 sq mi
You also posted way misleading data. 398 sq mi is ALL of Jefferson County which now has a population of 770 to 800k depending on estimates (the city claims closer to 800k). You know Louisville is a merged government so not a good comparison.
Me posting that is just as disingenuous as you posting what you did, however. We all know MSA is the fairest and best way to compare cities. That's universally accepted on CD and has been for years. You know better.
Me posting that is just as disingenuous as you posting what you did, however. We all know MSA is the fairest and best way to compare cities. That's universally accepted on CD and has been for years. You know better.
In this case MSA is not. Louisvilles MSA covers more land area with 750k less people than Milwaukee's CSA. That's pretty telling. Louisville is significantly smaller, but the poll results reflect that.
Milwaukee definitely seems denser and more walkable than Louisville does from my perspective as a tourist trying to hit some hotspots. One thing I think is quite good about Milwaukee is what appears to be a fairly extensive and rather frequent bus system. There’s a streetcar now which has a pretty stumpy path, but perhaps it’ll grow soon.
Anyhow, these are great cities. I would love to see a decent passenger rail service connecting the two via Indianapolis and Chicago.
Milwaukee definitely seems denser and more walkable than Louisville does from my perspective as a tourist trying to hit some hotspots. One thing I think is quite good about Milwaukee is what appears to be a fairly extensive and rather frequent bus system. There’s a streetcar now which has a pretty stumpy path, but perhaps it’ll grow soon.
Anyhow, these are great cities. I would love to see a decent passenger rail service connecting the two via Indianapolis and Chicago.
Well, the Hiawatha makes 7 trips a day between Milwaukee and Chicago, and this will be increased to 10 per day, within the next couple of years. There's that.
In this case MSA is not. Louisvilles MSA covers more land area with 750k less people than Milwaukee's CSA. That's pretty telling. Louisville is significantly smaller, but the poll results reflect that.
MSA is still the best way to compare the two. It certainly wouldn't be using municipal statistics.
Urbanized area population is probably the best metric to use in terms of size comparisons, but the Census doesn't produce annual estimates and the latest figures we have are from the last Census, nearly a decade ago.
MSA is still the best way to compare the two. It certainly wouldn't be using municipal statistics.
Urbanized area population is probably the best metric to use in terms of size comparisons, but the Census doesn't produce annual estimates and the latest figures we have are from the last Census, nearly a decade ago.
Milwaukee's MSA and CSA are, pretty much, the same. VERY little difference in population between the two.
MSA is still the best way to compare the two. It certainly wouldn't be using municipal statistics.
Urbanized area population is probably the best metric to use in terms of size comparisons, but the Census doesn't produce annual estimates and the latest figures we have are from the last Census, nearly a decade ago.
Understood, and agreed about MSA’s. The point I am illustrating is that you can fit all of Milwaukee’s statistical areas inside the boundaries of Louisville’s MSA. That show’s a very immediate difference between density and sphere of influence.
Understood, and agreed about MSA’s. The point I am illustrating is that you can fit all of Milwaukee’s statistical areas inside the boundaries of Louisville’s MSA. That show’s a very immediate difference between density and sphere of influence.
So...when I do this to show Louisville's MSA is THOUSANDS (3000 or more) of square miles less than Nashville (as an example), I am ridiculed, lambasted, and voted off the island? I have repeatedly stated lets give Louisville over 7k sq miles and it will be well over 2 million to include Lexington et all.
But now we have a mod trying to make Louisville look smaller than it is using similar (but worse) tactics by comparing one city's CSA to another's MSA and its all cool and equal? Should it also be disclosed that said mod is a huge grand rapids booster?
You guys will wake up in 5-10 years and realize Louisville has even passed Milwaukee. Mark those words down. In the eyes of many, it already has, especially as a destination. Why else would Louisville have more hotel rooms and a much more robust Airbnb market together? None of you realize the game changer that is bourbon. Again, I am not saying Milwaukee is the same size as Louisville. It's CLEARLY BIGGER....but BARELY. The two cities are very very close. The results of this poll reflect an ignorance of Louisville since 2015 and also disdain for my Louisville evangelization by several Midwest based, legacy city proponents.
However, off these boards, Louisville has been discovered. I am even starting to see annoying bacherlotte parties at some of my favorite hipster dive bars. Truth be told, I feel like I pioneered Louisville and my wife and I have contemplated moving again. I have lived and traveled all over. I typically do that alot. I like the underdog city and its no longer Louisville.
So...when I do this to show Louisville's MSA is THOUSANDS (3000 or more) of square miles less than Nashville (as an example), I am ridiculed, lambasted, and voted off the island? I have repeatedly stated lets give Louisville over 7k sq miles and it will be well over 2 million to include Lexington et all.
Lexington isn't in Louisville's CSA. That wouldn't be a statistic. All Milwaukee needs is less than land area than Louisville's MSA to be over 2million people. Louisville needs to be quite a bit larger than Connecticut to get there, that was my point
So...when I do this to show Louisville's MSA is THOUSANDS (3000 or more) of square miles less than Nashville (as an example), I am ridiculed, lambasted, and voted off the island? I have repeatedly stated lets give Louisville over 7k sq miles and it will be well over 2 million to include Lexington et all.
But now we have a mod trying to make Louisville look smaller than it is using similar (but worse) tactics by comparing one city's CSA to another's MSA and its all cool and equal? Should it also be disclosed that said mod is a huge grand rapids booster?
You guys will wake up in 5-10 years and realize Louisville has even passed Milwaukee. Mark those words down. In the eyes of many, it already has, especially as a destination. Why else would Louisville have more hotel rooms and a much more robust Airbnb market together? None of you realize the game changer that is bourbon. Again, I am not saying Milwaukee is the same size as Louisville. It's CLEARLY BIGGER....but BARELY. The two cities are very very close. The results of this poll reflect an ignorance of Louisville since 2015 and also disdain for my Louisville evangelization by several Midwest based, legacy city proponents.
However, off these boards, Louisville has been discovered. I am even starting to see annoying bacherlotte parties at some of my favorite hipster dive bars. Truth be told, I feel like I pioneered Louisville and my wife and I have contemplated moving again. I have lived and traveled all over. I typically do that alot. I like the underdog city and its no longer Louisville.
Your facts are a little misleading here. Yes, Nashville's MSA currently includes huge swaths of land, mainly due to people from rural counties commuting into the MSA for work opportunities, however some of these rural counties are very sparsely populated. I typically consider only the core counties as part of its MSA, eight counties with a combined area to a little over 5000 sq miles with a population 1,875,580. Keep in mind, some of these counties have huge land areas with the population clustering along the highways while the remainder of the county being rural farmland or dense forests.
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