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I've been in all the churches. It's not that they are not pleasant in their own way, but they just arent close to the masterpieces typical of Italian catholicism.
Jeez I’m sorry but which US city has a St Peters?
I feel like people are holding the North End to a different standard.
Like St Louis gets points because they have gnocchi but the North End gets dinged for the lack of medieval Cathedral
My numbers are very old. I just looked at apartments.com. more typical price would be around 4k. Some over 6 k. What is that if not "gentrified"? We are supposed to believe this is the authentic working class Italian neighborhood of old?
Right. I think the only data we have on the north end is from the 2010 census-only 3 years after the Big Dig we completed. I think the neighborhood has changed a lot since then and yes the 4K/month price sounds much much more accurate than 2.5k-that’s like East Boston prices (which also was pretty Italian until super recently) Census 2020 will give us Boston neighborhood data and it’ll be pretty revealing.
Cities that are known for neighborhood diversity in terms of heritage, food, and culture have a stronger appeal than plain jane places (like where I live). I'm mostly familiar with Italian areas of St. Louis, Baltimore, and San Diego --- but like St. Louis the best.
Jeez I’m sorry but which US city has a St Peters?
I feel like people are holding the North End to a different standard.
Like St Louis gets points because they have gnocchi but the North End gets dinged for the lack of medieval Cathedral
I dont remember saying medieval actually. I said italian. If you've never been to a church built by Italian immigrants, I dont think you can comment. St Leonard in the north end fits the bill. I don't want to downplay that. But I'm just saying that the most prominent ones are decidedly not italianate.
I also dont remember mentioning St Louis either. I think pointing out the somewhat contradictory aspects of the north end as a little Italy is completely fair and it's what the thread is about. I'm not necessarily saying which neighborhood I prefer, just that, for example, federal hill has more Italian characteristics. This is pretty hard to argue against actually.
I know Providence isn't all that well traveled as compared to these other cities, but here is a street view of Federal Hill's main plaza, which most certainly belongs in this discussion:
I voted Providence. While all of these neighborhoods are well beyond peak authenticity, i think Providence has one of the best maintained retail/dining stretches of the bunch. Even if it is a bit smaller than some of the others.
I voted Providence as well. Its just a very italian area /stateso its pretty easy for it to maintain its authenticity. Its also vibrant and somewhat family based
I voted Providence. While all of these neighborhoods are well beyond peak authenticity, i think Providence has one of the best maintained retail/dining stretches of the bunch. Even if it is a bit smaller than some of the others.
The things that makes Atwells better than the North End is that there is plenty of parking, it's easy to get a table, and the meals are unfussy Italian. DePasquale Plaza is also a little reminiscent of a square in Italy with all the tables outside.
The North End is a far more unique experience though and if they allowed North Square to have seating it would be stupendous.
I dont remember saying medieval actually. I said italian. If you've never been to a church built by Italian immigrants, I dont think you can comment. St Leonard in the north end fits the bill. I don't want to downplay that. But I'm just saying that the most prominent ones are decidedly not italianate.
I also dont remember mentioning St Louis either. I think pointing out the somewhat contradictory aspects of the north end as a little Italy is completely fair and it's what the thread is about. I'm not necessarily saying which neighborhood I prefer, just that, for example, federal hill has more Italian characteristics. This is pretty hard to argue against actually.
I don’t think any neighborhood looks Italian though. Other than DePasqule Square on Federal Hillbwhich is tiny the vast majority of all these cities Little Italies (save NYC and Chicago) are woodfraned SFH/Two flats with maybe a storefront. And a few fully commercial buildings.
Sure the architecture of the North End wouldn’t fit in in Rome but it really isn’t any more out of place than any other little Italy. Most of Federal hill is wood framed duplexes or Triple Deckers which are notably not popular in Italy.
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