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View Poll Results: Which Local Economy is The Most Recession Resistant?
San Francisco 26 12.26%
Dallas 33 15.57%
Houston 12 5.66%
New York City 20 9.43%
Boston 22 10.38%
DC 87 41.04%
Seattle 19 8.96%
Chicago 17 8.02%
Los Angeles 6 2.83%
Miami 2 0.94%
Atlanta 12 5.66%
Austin 12 5.66%
Philadelphia 15 7.08%
Minneapolis 12 5.66%
Other 17 8.02%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-17-2020, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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Population growth is slow, but economically Philadelphia has a very diverse economy and has made some recent noticeable economic increases even compared to certain hot spot cities, falling in line with your #2 item. See latest GDP data thread. I don't see Philadelphia's recovery any slower or different than Chicago, Boston, Atlanta, Dallas, etc.
To add to your point re: Philadelphia, there's evidence that it's the most economically diverse metro in the US (among 500K+ metros).

Chmura | Why Economic Diversity Matters

Prior to the current economic fiasco, Philadelphia's economic growth was at least as fast as Chicago and Boston, as well, so it certainly does warrant being placed in that grouping. Atlanta and Dallas are generally in a different tier of growth as " Sun Belt" metros, but there's signs that both are beginning to reach a point of more mature, slower growth.
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Old 12-17-2020, 04:22 PM
 
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To add to your point re: Philadelphia, there's evidence that it's the most economically diverse metro in the US (among 500K+ metros).

Chmura | Why Economic Diversity Matters

Prior to the current economic fiasco, Philadelphia's economic growth was at least as fast as Chicago and Boston, as well, so it certainly does warrant being placed in that grouping. Atlanta and Dallas are generally in a different tier of growth as " Sun Belt" metros, but there's signs that both are beginning to reach a point of more mature, slower growth.
I also posted evidence that it's the most stable economy amongst major metros since 1990.
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Old 12-17-2020, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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I think this belongs here...

Our population growth is below replacement level at this point. The US is not having enough babies to offset deaths-point blank.

Metro Area Population Growth +20% or greater(1990-2000)
+83.3% Las Vegas
+47.7% Austin
+45.3% Phoenix
+38.9% Atlanta
+38.9% Raleigh
+34.3% Orlando
+30.4% Denver
+29.3% Dallas
+29.0% Charlotte
+26.3% Portland
+25.2% Houston
+25.0% Nashville
+24.4% Salt Lake City
+22.1% Fresno
+21.4% Jacksonville
+21.4% Miami
+21.3% Sacramento
+20.2% San Antonio

Impressive^ right? Now look at this decade...

Metro Area Population Growth +20% or greater(2010-2019)
+29.76% Austin
+23.02% Raleigh
+22.20% Orlando

The idea of being resilient is going to mean something different as time goes on...

We went from 18 Metro Areas growing at 20% or more at the turn of the century to only 3 this decade.
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Old 12-17-2020, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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I think this belongs here...

Our population growth is below replacement level at this point. The US is not having enough babies to offset deaths-point blank.

Metro Area Population Growth +20% or greater(1990-2000)
+83.3% Las Vegas
+47.7% Austin
+45.3% Phoenix
+38.9% Atlanta
+38.9% Raleigh
+34.3% Orlando
+30.4% Denver
+29.3% Dallas
+29.0% Charlotte
+26.3% Portland
+25.2% Houston
+25.0% Nashville
+24.4% Salt Lake City
+22.1% Fresno
+21.4% Jacksonville
+21.4% Miami
+21.3% Sacramento
+20.2% San Antonio

Impressive^ right? Now look at this decade...

Metro Area Population Growth +20% or greater(2010-2019)
+29.76% Austin
+23.02% Raleigh
+22.20% Orlando

The idea of being resilient is going to mean something different as time goes on...

We went from 18 Metro Areas growing at 20% or more at the turn of the century to only 3 this decade.

Wow yeah, and the huge 54% drop in immigration this decade over last also might have to do with the huge drop in growth as well.

1990s Average Fertility Rate was 2.1sh, now its treading down to 1.7 yikes
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Old 12-17-2020, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Japan is doing fine with a below replacement rate, may not have the best economy, but socially stable as heck. Clean country, few homeless tents.
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Old 12-17-2020, 06:15 PM
 
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Japan is doing fine with a below replacement rate, may not have the best economy, but socially stable as heck. Clean country, few homeless tents.
Given that we could on the verge of huge wave of job displacement due to automation, and how much debt Millennials/Gen Z have, fewer babies may be a good thing.
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Old 12-17-2020, 06:44 PM
 
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Japan is doing fine with a below replacement rate, may not have the best economy, but socially stable as heck. Clean country, few homeless tents.
Japan's high standard of living literally has nothing to do with population growth or decline.

Also, I'd hardly say that everything is "fine", especially for rural areas that are being abandoned. Infrastructure is falling apart and transportation shut down, severely limiting mobility and opportunities for the remaining inhabitants. Japan also has a MASSIVE debt-to-GDP ratio. The country itself has stagnated economically for years and incomes are surprisingly depressed.
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Old 12-18-2020, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX and wherever planes fly
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https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/n...attan-cre.html

I can't read due to paid access bur from what the article reads...

"Dallas-Fort Worth has taken the top spot from Manhattan, which has led commercial real estate investment in the U.S. for at least a decade"

My vote after DC for most recession proof goes to Dallas-Fort-Worth. In my opinion the new LA in the state of Texas which is the new California.
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Old 12-18-2020, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Tokyo, JAPAN
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https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/n...attan-cre.html

I can't read due to paid access bur from what the article reads...

"Dallas-Fort Worth has taken the top spot from Manhattan, which has led commercial real estate investment in the U.S. for at least a decade"

My vote after DC for most recession proof goes to Dallas-Fort-Worth. In my opinion the new LA in the state of Texas which is the new California.
I don't doubt the DFW area's economic strength but why are we comparing a section of a city (Manhattan) to an entire metro area (DFW)?

Also I really don't think 2020 data is the best judge of anything long-term.
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Old 12-18-2020, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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My vote after DC for most recession proof goes to Dallas-Fort-Worth. In my opinion the new LA in the state of Texas which is the new California.
Yeah the old California didn’t have a long run in the grand scheme of things. Who knows how long the “new California” will run for. The nice parts of old California also has amazing weather and scenery to offer. I’ve lived in the north Dallas area before, it’s just office park and flat subdivision land. It’s not La Jolla or Manhattan Beach. Never will be.
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