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View Poll Results: Which city is sixth most important in the nation?
Atlanta 36 14.69%
Boston 78 31.84%
Dallas 39 15.92%
Houston 39 15.92%
Miami 8 3.27%
Philadelphia 28 11.43%
Seattle 17 6.94%
Other (specify one thread) 0 0%
Voters: 245. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-04-2020, 06:12 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Need4Camaro View Post
There are alot of homers on this forum.

My opinion is this:


#8/9/10 (tied) Philadelphia, Atlanta, Dallas (Dallas has undeniably the best economy but Atlanta and Philadelphia have much better education systems, Atlanta and Dallas are both important logistical hubs but Atlanta more-so due to its geographical positioning.
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Positioning isn't the end of the story. This site does a great job of going in depth with logistics. It's not just being centrally located.

https://www.mhlnews.com/transportati...-united-states

Overall logistics infrastructure

1. New York-Newark
2. Houston
3. Minneapolis-St. Paul
4. Dallas-Fort Worth
5. Kansas City
6. St. Louis
7. Chicago
8. Cleveland
9. Boston
10. San Francisco


Transportation and warehousing industry

1.New York-Newark
2.Los Angeles-Long Beach
3.Chicago
4.Miami-Fort Lauderdale
5.Houston/Dallas-Fort Worth (tie)


Transportation and warehousing workforce

1. St. Louis
2. Louisville
3. Miami-Fort Lauderdale
4. Laredo, Texas
5. San Diego

Road density and congestion

Pueblo, Colo.
Weirton-Steubenville, W.Va.-Ohio
Wausau, Wis.
Wichita Falls, Texas
San Angelo, Texas

Interstate highways infrastructure

1. New York-Newark
2. Chicago
3. Baltimore
4. Dallas-Fort Worth
5. St. Louis

Railroad Infrastructure

1. Chicago
2. New York-Newark
3. Philadelphia
4. Pittsburgh
5. St. Louis


Water port infrastructure

1. New Orleans
2. Houston
3. New York-Newark
4. Baton Rouge, La.
5. Chicago


Air cargo infrastructure

1. New York-Newark
2. Memphis
3. Los Angeles-Long Beach
4. Miami-Fort Lauderdale
5. Chicago

New York and Chicago are top 5 in 4 categories, Houston is top 5 in 2, DF in 1 and ATL in 0
Even Memphis, Baton Rouge and of course New Orleans beat ATL out for logistics in the South.

A more recent site list these as the top cities in the US for logistics:

https://www.aviofreight.com/blog/top...ies-in-the-us/



1. New York – Newark – industrialization in NJ in combination with the number of consumers in New York + connections
2. Chicago – great road connections, airport availability and boat shipping options
3. Houston
4. Minneapolis-St. Paul
5. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington

Again DFW out ranks ATL with Houston outranking both
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Old 04-04-2020, 07:09 PM
 
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2000 MSA population
DFW 5,161,544
Miami 5,007,564
DC 4,796,183
Houston 4,715,407
Atl 4,247,982

2010 MSA population
DFW 6,371,773
Houston 5,946,800
DC 5,582,170
Miami 5,564,635
Atl 5,268,860

2019 MSA population
4. DFW 7,573,136
5. Houston 7,066,141
6. DC 6,280,487
7. Miami 6,166,488
9. Atl 6,020,364

2000-2010 population increase
Houston 1,231,393
DFW 1,210,229
ATL 1,020,879
DC 785,987
Miami 557,071


2010-2019 population increase
01. DFW 1,206,599
02. Houston 1,145,654
04. Atlanta 733,646
05. DC 630,799
06. Miami 600,214

2000-2019 increase:
DFW 2,416,828
Houston 2,377,047
ATL 1,754,525
DC 1,416,786
Miami 1,157,285

DFW grew more in 9 years than Miami did in 20. Houston almost did too.


DFW population difference in relation to other 4 in 2000,2010,2019

Miami -153,980, -807,138, -1,406,648
DC -365,361, -789,603, -1,292,649
Houston -446,137, -424,973, -506,995
ATL - 913,562, -1,102,913, -1,552,772


Houston population difference in relation to other 4 in 2000,2010,2019

DFW +446,137, +424,973, +506,995
Miami +292,157, -382,165, -899,653
DC + 80,776, -364,630, -785,654
ATL -467,425, -677,940, - 1,045,777

Crazy that only 153,000 people separated DFW and Miami in 2000 now it's 1.4 million and now DFW has 1.5 million more people than ATL. Miami was ahead of Houston by 300k in 2000 now it's behind by 900k. That's a 1.2 million swing. Houston more than doubled is lead on ATL from 465K to over 1 million.


Looks like DFW and Houston are outpacing ATL and Miami by a lot.
Will they still be peers at this rate?

Threw in DC because it was in the middle of the screen grabs

I do think size matters

Last edited by Mike from back east; 04-04-2020 at 09:07 PM..
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Old 04-04-2020, 07:15 PM
 
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#8/9/10 (tied) Philadelphia, Atlanta, Dallas (Dallas has undeniably the best economy but Atlanta and Philadelphia have much better education systems, Atlanta and Dallas are both important logistical hubs but Atlanta more-so due to its geographical positioning. Atlanta is also an important financial center in terms of both banking and tech. Atlanta also has the filming industry but that to me is more of a bonus than anything of significance in terms of national importance. It's not something that this country 'can't do without' so to speak.)
Finance and Industry GDP 2018
Philly Metro: $45B
Dallas Metro: $42B
Atlanta Metro: $35B
bea.gov

Tech Industry GDP 2018
Dallas Metro: $64B
Atlanta Metro: $48B
Philly Metro: $38B
bea.gov
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Old 04-04-2020, 07:28 PM
 
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Yeah, I had these 2 in mind...I'm not saying this is how I would rank them, these are just my predictions as to how I feel CD is going to vote.

Phoenix is larger than Denver, but has a smaller GDP and is less known internationally.
Don't know about San Diegos's GDP since it seems it wasn't on that list in the CSA's GDPs thread.
I think San Diego's binational economy is significantly more important than Denver's. The region has nearly 5 million people and the SD-TJ economy is very much intertwined.

On its own, San Diego is a major national, even international, hub for tech/biotech, defense (including shipbuilding), trade, and tourism. Both sides of the border have significant manufacturing as well.
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Old 04-05-2020, 12:27 AM
 
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Yeah. I guess I could give it one more shot. I'm tempted to make it so you can see who voted for what option, but the five older threads I was trying to mimic all had anonymous voting. Maybe if enough people vote, then the troll votes won't amount to much?
How do troll votes even happen? I thought city-data was pretty good with preventing (or catching quickly) multiple accounts?
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Old 04-05-2020, 12:30 AM
 
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No, Dallas went from 10 to 20 votes overnight (a few weeks ago) in this poll. We were speaking on this a few pages back.
Indeed.
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Old 04-05-2020, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I'm not voting. But Boston won no matter what and cities whose posters cry the loudest foul won't change that. Just some sunbelt city boosters. Go to any means to claim their city should win. There seems to be a rivary just between 3 Southern cities too for some title.

Recognition is strived for here and pushing toward it is what is aimed at for their home city. But some post stats over just homerism.
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Old 04-05-2020, 11:49 AM
 
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Those infrastructure rankings don't seem 100% relevant.

Even if they're realistic by some set of standards (I'm not digging into that), there's a big divide between infrastructure that keeps the city running, and infrastructure that supports a city's importance.

For example, is that highway a major freight route? That's a factor for a city's importance as a logistics hub in way that highways for commuters aren't.

There are a million ways to measure ports. I'd favor their capacity to handle essential things so the world can operate. Capacity can be measured by acreage, the size and quantity of berths, etc., but it's also about how things are run. Hong Kong puts several times the containers through per acre as a US port, because they use every inch intensively. You could also break down the types of goods...food is more important than toys and TVs.
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Old 04-05-2020, 12:50 PM
 
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Finance and Industry GDP 2018
Philly Metro: $45B
Dallas Metro: $42B
Atlanta Metro: $35B
bea.gov

Tech Industry GDP 2018
Dallas Metro: $64B
Atlanta Metro: $48B
Philly Metro: $38B
bea.gov
If you look deeper in those numbers you will see that only Dallas and Atlanta growth is more recent in those markets(tech) has been in the last 5-10 years mainly
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The startup scene is growing, as evidenced by the increasing number of companies working out of Atlanta Tech Village. The self-described “tech hub” has led to the creation of more than 6,500 jobs and has helped raise over $900 million in funding since its inception in 2013, according to vice president Karen Houghton. The village ranks among the top five largest tech hubs in the nation, housing over 1,100 people and more than 300 startups, she said, based on its own research.
Home to the Atlanta Tech Village—the 4th largest tech hub in America per the organization’s own research—the Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell area is not only tech friendly, but entrepreneur friendly—one of the many reasons this metro area has jumped one spot from no. 9 to no. 8 on our Tech Town list this year.

https://news.crunchbase.com/news/fro...-as-a-tech-hub
Atlanta ranks 8th and Dallas 7th in Tech industry

Oddly enough ,Houston nor Pilly are mentioned anywhere in these list
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Old 04-05-2020, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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If you look deeper in those numbers you will see that only Dallas and Atlanta growth is more recent in those markets(tech) has been in the last 5-10 years mainly

Home to the Atlanta Tech Village—the 4th largest tech hub in America per the organization’s own research—the Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell area is not only tech friendly, but entrepreneur friendly—one of the many reasons this metro area has jumped one spot from no. 9 to no. 8 on our Tech Town list this year.

https://news.crunchbase.com/news/fro...-as-a-tech-hub
Atlanta ranks 8th and Dallas 7th in Tech industry

Oddly enough ,Houston nor Pilly are mentioned anywhere in these list
Because Houston and philly aren’t tech cities.
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