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Which is beyond the boundaries of the discussion at hand, especially when the OP/poll options make it clear they are not being considered. Even if the OP did consider them authentically Southern, it makes perfect sense to exclude them since they are major outliers as it pertains to the subject at hand. So yeah, borderline trolling.
Hold up, Richmond was included on the poll and the Kode's list. I took it upon myself to comment without getting off topic since RVA is Mid-Atlantic too.
Hold up, Richmond was included on the poll and the Kode's list. I took it upon myself to comment without getting off topic since RVA is Mid-Atlantic too.
Richmond is widely considered Southern as well and no one will dispute it being on a poll about Southern cities. I'm pretty sure you know this.
Richmond is widely considered Southern as well and no one will dispute it being on a poll about Southern cities. I'm pretty sure you know this.
Right, right. This isn't a nuanced topic but an open/shut side point on RVA. I'm fascinated with the history of places which is why I made that comment that you responded to.
Right, right. This isn't a nuanced topic but an open/shut side point on RVA. I'm fascinated with the history of places which is why I made that comment that you responded to.
As far as Richmond's "Southerness" goes, it pretty much is. The debate is usually about just how Southern it is and whether it is also mid-Atlantic, but nobody objects to it being classified as a Southern city. This isn't the case for DC and Baltimore.
Urban character to me means many older buildings still standing with an urban infrastructure, some density, and vibes you wouldn't find in a newer architectural city with flashy malls, glass towers and the suburban office park/shopping center.
Also, larger cities mostly get more consideration too, just due to their sheer size and many areas or urban flavor and character.
To rank your list according to most urban character, to least, it would go something like this, imo:
New Orleans
Houston
Atlanta
Dallas
Memphis
Richmond
Nashville
Austin
Miami
Charlotte
San Antonio
Louisville
Birmingham
Norfolk
Tampa
Orlando
Jacksonville
Raleigh
Im sorry but you know as well as I do dont nobody think Houston is after New Orleans in urban character .
No one but you.You tried that tho
I think some of the confusion is how urban character is being defined. Some may think of a particular housing style or distinctive "characteristic" not seen/seen very little in other cities while others might think of density and development consistency as the deciding factor. Street activity/vibrancy might also be another factor as well.
Richmond and Louisville would be next after New Orleans IMO. They were all major Southern cities of the antebellum era and still retain quite a bit of their pre-WWII urban vernacular. After those three, on a pound for pound basis I think Miami, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Birmingham, at the least, have their strong points when it comes to the next couple of slots.
Richmond and Louisville would be next after New Orleans IMO. They were all major Southern cities of the antebellum era and still retain quite a bit of their pre-WWII urban vernacular. After those three, on a pound for pound basis I think Miami, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Birmingham, at the least, have their strong points when it comes to the next couple of slots.
It really goes to show how diverse the region is structurally. You have a mix of cities that have impressive antebellum architecture and others that are basically new from the ground up. Some cities have a mix of both.
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