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Old 10-06-2020, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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It will be interesting to see what Baltimore does this decade regarding development. For a city so we’ll located its amazing how stagnant it has become relative to its peers.

That being said it has a lot going for it, and the development around the Harbor is taking off right now. It’s one of the cities I’m most looking forward to rebound and really boom
I would give it until the next big cycle. Right now it's still a bit .. down. It probably will take off by the late 2020s.

Sometime around 2022 I want to actually buy a rowhome in Baltimore in the worst of its areas. They are like $40,000. Might as well for a nice ROI
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Old 10-06-2020, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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I would give it until the next big cycle. Right now it's still a bit .. down. It probably will take off by the late 2020s.

Sometime around 2022 I want to actually buy a rowhome in Baltimore in the worst of its areas. They are like $40,000. Might as well for a nice ROI
Oh for sure. The real estate their is so dirt cheap that investors are going to grab them by the dozens and just hold.
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Old 10-06-2020, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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If we are talking straight up structural urbanity/density.. it’s going to be the usual suspects

NYC
Chicago
Philly/SF
DC
Boston/LA
Seattle/Baltimore
Miami

If it’s population density... it’s still probably the same list just rearranged due to administrative limits
DC is too high. On what grounds does it top Boston or LA?
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Old 10-06-2020, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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DC is too high. On what grounds does it top Boston or LA?
High-rise count (per fire department codes), apartment units, office space & arguably population density (daytime) for one. Yes, DC can feel more airy because of its park space and wide avenues, but it’s inner most 50 sq. miles are more consistently urban than Boston’s & LA just off of housing stock alone.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-city-charted/
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Old 10-06-2020, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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High-rise count (per fire department codes), apartment units, office space & arguably population density (daytime) for one. Yes, DC can feel more airy because of its park space and wide avenues, but it’s inner most 50 sq. miles are more consistently urban than Boston’s & LA just off of housing stock alone.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-city-charted/
Per this chart, DC and Boston have identical SFH and Boston has far more apartment buildings. And its overall population density is significantly higher. Its adjacent areas are also much more densely populated




Boston and DCs daytime population are both the same. 1.2-1.3 million. (Most placs give Boston the edge though)

https://www.boston.gov/sites/default...ay_spreads.pdf

https://ggwash.org/view/34772/dcs-da...01%2C000%2C000.

Boston does this is less area.Theres really no area DC excels past Boston other than office buildings.Los Angeles or LA County's most dense 50 square miles is probably denser than DC's.
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Old 10-06-2020, 09:38 AM
 
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What year is the chart?

The Seattle numbers in the 2018 ACS appear to be 41.1% SFR (out of occupied units).
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Old 10-06-2020, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Is this an opinion poll or is there data behind it?
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Old 10-06-2020, 10:06 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Per this chart, DC and Boston have identical SFH and Boston has far more apartment buildings. And its overall population density is significantly higher. Its adjacent areas are also much more densely populated




Boston and DCs daytime population are both the same. 1.2-1.3 million. (Most placs give Boston the edge though)

https://www.boston.gov/sites/default...ay_spreads.pdf

https://ggwash.org/view/34772/dcs-da...01%2C000%2C000.

Boston does this is less area.Theres really no area DC excels past Boston other than office buildings.Los Angeles or LA County's most dense 50 square miles is probably denser than DC's.
That link on housing stock is 5 years old, which in DC is equivalent to 20 years from a development stand point.

Plus DC is building more multi-family housing than Boston, and while both are still filling in, DC does more rapidly. DC population increase since 2010- 17%, Boston population increase since 2010- 12%.

https://www.bisnow.com/national/news...-permits-79445

Apartments built in 2018:

New York Metro – 32,300 units completed
Dallas/Ft. Worth – 20,500 units completed
Los Angeles/Southern California – 20,000 units completed
Seattle – 14,400 units completed
Washington, D.C. – 13,600 units completed
Denver – 11,700 units completed
Boston – 9,700 units completed
Miami/South Florida – 9,500 units completed
San Francisco Bay Area – 9,300 units completed
Chicago – 8,900 units completed
Orlando – 7,700 units completed
Austin – 7,400 units completed
Charlotte – 7,000 units completed
Atlanta – 6,900 units completed
San Antonio – 6,800 units completed
Phoenix – 6,400 units completed
Minneapolis – 6,300 units completed
Tampa – 6,100 units completed
Nashville – 5,900 units completed
Portland – 4,900 units completed

https://www.housingwire.com/articles...built-in-2018/
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Old 10-06-2020, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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What year is the chart?

The Seattle numbers in the 2018 ACS appear to be 41.1% SFR (out of occupied units).
2014.

Can I get your link?
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Old 10-06-2020, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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That link on housing stock is 5 years old, which in DC is equivalent to 20 years from a development stand point.

Plus DC is building more multi-family housing than Boston, and while both are still filling in, DC does more rapidly. DC population increase since 2010- 17%, Boston population increase since 2010- 12%.

https://www.bisnow.com/national/news...-permits-79445

Apartments built in 2018:

New York Metro – 32,300 units completed
Dallas/Ft. Worth – 20,500 units completed
Los Angeles/Southern California – 20,000 units completed
Seattle – 14,400 units completed
Washington, D.C. – 13,600 units completed
Denver – 11,700 units completed
Boston – 9,700 units completed
Miami/South Florida – 9,500 units completed
San Francisco Bay Area – 9,300 units completed
Chicago – 8,900 units completed
Orlando – 7,700 units completed
Austin – 7,400 units completed
Charlotte – 7,000 units completed
Atlanta – 6,900 units completed
San Antonio – 6,800 units completed
Phoenix – 6,400 units completed
Minneapolis – 6,300 units completed
Tampa – 6,100 units completed
Nashville – 5,900 units completed
Portland – 4,900 units completed

https://www.housingwire.com/articles...built-in-2018/
I was just using the link he gave me.

Those are MSA numbers.

Boston's core 50sqmi is still more dense/urban right now- no matter how you slice it. Day and night. A higher share of the buildings its currently building are multi unit. Lack of developable land is an issue in Boston because its already very dense.

Also much of DC's MSA construction would be outside of that 50 square mile area.

When or if DC passes Boston then it does, until then-it just hasnt.
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