Jacksonville vs Rhode Island (cost, rates, moving, market)
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Again, shows how little people know about Florida, since the wealthiest (to include OLD MONEY) county is St-John's county, and not Palm Beach County.
And... Palm Beach is not in the panhandle.
I state facts and you ignore them. Florida has one of the lowest average incomes in the nation ranked at #38 and the Jacksonville economy is smaller than Providence and even Raleigh.
These are facts. Florida overall is not that wealthy.
I state facts and you ignore them. Florida has one of the lowest average incomes in the nation ranked at #38 and the Jacksonville economy is smaller than Providence and even Raleigh.
These are facts. Florida overall is not that wealthy.
Your "facts" were wrong, and I corrected you...
I never in any way implied that Florida has a high average income. It does, however, have some VERY wealthy areas, and they are not all parked in the Palm Beach area, or in the Panhandle or whatever it was you were trying to say. Its wealthiest county, (St-John's, in the Jacksonville MSA) again, is higher than anything in Rhode Island.
Never once said that Jacksonville is a wealthy city. I brought up PVB and St-John's County as a response to your claim that Jacksonville has nothing comparable to Newport, in any way shape or form.
Most of RI, similar to MA, NY, PA, CT and other old money states. Is not factored into typical federal income data because it is generational old money wealth.
I already showed you that Providence GDP is higher than Jacksonville. Heck Raleigh is too.
The poll above shows you. Your opinion is the minority. RI > Jacksonville.
And how exactly does this 'generational wealth' benefit the average Rhodie? It doesn't.
RI couldn't even support their only Nordstrom, yet the Jacksonville store is thriving.
The bottom line is RI isn't growing, Jacksonville is. RI has next to no jobs, Jacksonville does across many sectors. You are totally dismissing a place I suspect you have never even been to, but dislike due to nothing other than its Southern location.
Jacksonville is severely underrated on these forums.
Yes, its downtown sucks, and is definitely not living up to its potential. But surrounding areas within its core are gorgeous.
The suburbs are also fantastic.
Which surrounding areas within the core? Five Points? San Marcos? Where else?
Which surrounding areas within the core? Five Points? San Marcos? Where else?
I only recently started to explore it in more depth, after suggestions from locals in the Florida forums. Yes, San Marco is very nice. That entire stretch all the way down to Mandarin (although Mandarin is outside of the core... Jacksonville is built weird like that.)
I haven't explored Five Points enough to form much of an opinion on it.
Don't let its Florida location fool you. Jax is FL's other big cities' blue collar cousin. Always has been. Ever hear anyone who is planning a FL vacation or retirement say they were going to Jacksonville? There's a reason...
Gotcha. Yea I’ve always sort of Imagine Jacksonville as a much much larger myrtle beach with some industry. Maybe a little Charleston-esquire section. Is that far off?
It's more like Norfolk which is probably its closest out-of-state peer. And while it doesn't have the cachet of Norfolk's neighbor Williamsburg, Jacksonville does have St. Augustine to the south which is just as historic.
Which surrounding areas within the core? Five Points? San Marcos? Where else?
Yes, Five Points and the whole of Riverside/Avondale. The old money Ortega area is full of gorgeous mansions, many dating from the early 20th century. Springfield, directly north of Downtown is a newer hot spot. San Marcos as you mentioned counts as well.
Just Rhode Island, period. Jacksonville is a sh*th*l*. Having said that, the beach towns aren't bad at all, especially Ponte Vedra and points south. Their only demerit is you have to drive through Jacksonville to get there if you're coming from the West. Speaking of West, you do not want to spend time on the west side of Jacksonville if you can avoid it.
If you're even thinking of living in Jacksonville, just go 40 miles south to St. Augustine.
When I think of comparing and contrasting these two cities, I think primarily of size and history.
Jacksonville is a sprawling spread out metropolitan area with plenty of room to sprawl more. That's probably good for economics. RI has compact cities and towns- Providence isn't that big- it's only big in terms of an MSMA and I would never think of New Bedford & Fall River as being part of it. Totally different communities.
Sure JAX has more jobs, so if jobs are what you want, go to Jax. Of course you'll be in the South with lower wages and few unions. Sure it "supports a Nordstroms"- but I never bought there because we Yankees are frugal and not flashy. So what is "supporting a Nordstroms" measuring? People who like to spend their money on clothes?
If you want a newer much cheaper home in a newer neighborhood, go to Jax. If you want a home with history and character- albeit at a premium price- come here. Don't come to RI though if you really can't afford it, because our low income neighborhoods are as bad as Jax's low income neighborhoods and you don't want to be in either.
The differences in weather hardly need explaining. So it comes down to, like most relocation decisions, personal priorities.
I very much liked the Cummer Museum in Jax, it's a nice place to visit in Winter.
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