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^ A lot, if not all of these Urban Areas may actually be bigger, if adjacent urban clusters were added. Here is a list of the Urban Areas and Urban Clusters from 2010: https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...he-2010-census
Yes, the SF Metro Area is divided into 5 Urban Areas due to water and hills breaking up the continuous density-but I dont mind.
The combined UAs east of Oakland together are the same size as the Nashville or Salt Lake UA which really confirms by long held theory that the outer East Bay is emerging as the Bay Area's 3rd power center after SF-O and SJ.
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Lotta takeaways from this but I'm at work so limited on time right now. Have to point out one thing:
Every relevant measuring stick is illustrating that Birmingham has been left behind by former peers over the past decade: UA, MSA, GDP, all of them. We are to a point where its time to address that, while a decade ago Bham was more or less equal to a number of cities, the past decade has relegated Bham to now being a level behind those former peers, and its thru no fault of Bham's, which has undergone its own renaissance of sorts. Former peers have just urbanized faster, built more, added more, and risen further on a regional abd even national consciousness...
This is something I pointed out a few years back, as I went back to Bham in 2016 to see a mentor who has since passed, and in my minds eye compared to familiar cities of similar stature; I've also paid close attention to the annual releases of population and economies and at least on a basic level, familiarized myself with trends in these cities and the rate of acceleration in all...
Birmingham has itself i think risen from where it was 10+ years ago, but its new peers of similar stature are not the ones, for the 'most' part, that it was on even ground with in 2010. Everything has pointed to it for awhile and next month's BEA GDP release will be yet another indication of that fact...
Eager to hear everyone else's feedback on the 2019 estimates!
It's pretty jarring how much Birmingham really lived up to their moniker of "Pittsburgh of the South" and took further. Pittsburgh seems to have figured things out while the story keeps getting worse for B'Ham. It's like they just decided to stop trying.
It's pretty jarring how much Birmingham really lived up to their moniker of "Pittsburgh of the South" and took further. Pittsburgh seems to have figured things out while the story keeps getting worse for B'Ham. It's like they just decided to stop trying.
What do we think are the reasons why Pittsburgh continues to lose population? The city has indeed reinvented itself and is a small center for education, healthcare and other industries and remains economically powerful despite its overall smaller size.
Perhaps the location? Or lack of opportunity outside of the core?
2019 Urban Area Population Per Square Mile:
7,218 Los Angeles
6,795 San Francisco-Oakland
6,350 San Jose
5,414 New York
5,195 Las Vegas
4,905 Miami
4,339 San Diego
4,055 Denver
3,996 Sacramento
3,952 Portland
3,875 Riverside-San Bernardino
3,833 Washington
3,652 Phoenix
3,515 Chicago
3,494 Seattle
3,448 Houston
3,410 San Antonio
3,322 Dallas-Fort Worth
3,222 Austin
3,166 Baltimore
3,015 Minneapolis-St Paul
2,998 Orlando
2,905 Tampa-St Petersburg
2,791 Philadelphia
2,790 Detroit
2,383 Boston
2,321 St Louis
2,257 Cleveland
1,947 Atlanta
1,899 Pittsburgh
2019 Urban Area Population Per Square Mile: 7,218 Los Angeles
6,795 San Francisco-Oakland
6,350 San Jose
5,414 New York
5,195 Las Vegas
4,905 Miami
4,339 San Diego
4,055 Denver
3,996 Sacramento
3,952 Portland
3,875 Riverside-San Bernardino
3,833 Washington
3,652 Phoenix
3,515 Chicago
3,494 Seattle
3,448 Houston
3,410 San Antonio
3,322 Dallas-Fort Worth
3,222 Austin
3,166 Baltimore
3,015 Minneapolis-St Paul
2,998 Orlando
2,905 Tampa-St Petersburg
2,791 Philadelphia
2,790 Detroit
2,383 Boston
2,321 St Louis
2,257 Cleveland
1,947 Atlanta
1,899 Pittsburgh
Speaks to how tightly packed the suburbs out west are. Not surprising in the least
I dont disagree with this but there are a lot of them that fit that mold. Charlotte is bordered by three smaller UAs of roughly ~540k that would more accurately place Clt at a ~2.065 UA count that I feel like is more indicative of Clt's size and where it should compare as a city...
It's pretty jarring how much Birmingham really lived up to their moniker of "Pittsburgh of the South" and took further. Pittsburgh seems to have figured things out while the story keeps getting worse for B'Ham. It's like they just decided to stop trying.
Unlike other cities, Birmingham resides in probably 75% of people least favorite state. And with the few that move into the state are relocating to the retirement area of the gulf coast or defense/government jobs in Huntsville. And the ones relocating to Birmingham isn't making a dent in the numbers. Majority of those cities ahead of Birmingham has way more options for people to consider. People moving specifically to Alabama for the most part ain't looking for an urban living. There isn't much of an urban environment in the state, period. Put Birmingham in any other state beside Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and things would be different. The state of Alabama don't promote, assist, talk good, or anything positive about the city of Birmingham. Birmingham has been dealt blows one after another throughout it history. From hatred and racism of the 60's to the recent white flight in the 2000's that put the city behind the eightball that it's trying to dig out. Those two elements hit Birmingham harder than any other city. These cities ahead of Birmingham also have double, triple the amount of amenties that bring people to their cities. Whether it's professional sports, celebrities, culture, music, jobs, etc...these cities are on people radar for having a name brand that gives them identity to everyone.
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It's pretty jarring how much Birmingham really lived up to their moniker of "Pittsburgh of the South" and took further. Pittsburgh seems to have figured things out while the story keeps getting worse for B'Ham. It's like they just decided to stop trying.
I actually think things are looking up for Birmingham. The big things I think that holds it back now, are it is still one of the five most dangerous cities in the country, thats a terrible reputation for a city that does quite well in higher ed, healthcare, and is a regional power with a pretty large sphere of influence. The violence there is ridiculous...
The other thing that is an impediment is outside of its regional sphere, people aren't looking to visit or relocate to Bham, be it individuals or corporations. Other cities, specifically the list of cities who were formerly seen as its peer group, are just more desirable destinations. This impedes the growth of Bham's image...
Personally, I really enjoy Bham. I couldn't live there, but honestly I couldn't live in most of the South as I'm not really a big fan of the South outside of Virginia in general (weather, customs, etc). But I've been several times and find it a pretty fun and attractive place, and when I went to Pittsburgh I definitely understood the "Pgh of the South" moniker...
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2019 Urban Area Population Per Square Mile:
7,218 Los Angeles
6,795 San Francisco-Oakland
6,350 San Jose
5,414 New York
5,195 Las Vegas
4,905 Miami
4,339 San Diego
4,055 Denver
3,996 Sacramento
3,952 Portland
3,875 Riverside-San Bernardino
3,833 Washington
3,652 Phoenix
3,515 Chicago
3,494 Seattle
3,448 Houston
3,410 San Antonio
3,322 Dallas-Fort Worth
3,222 Austin
3,166 Baltimore
3,015 Minneapolis-St Paul
2,998 Orlando
2,905 Tampa-St Petersburg
2,791 Philadelphia
2,790 Detroit
2,383 Boston
2,321 St Louis
2,257 Cleveland
1,947 Atlanta
1,899 Pittsburgh
Just to flesh this out with all the UAs over 500k:
Los Angeles 7210
San Francisco-Oakland 6794
San Jose 6294
New York 5415
Las Vegas 5193
Miami 4953
Honolulu 4910
San Diego 4331
Fresno 4125
Salt Lake City 4087
Denver 4065
Bakersfield 4023
Sacramento 3995
Mission Viejo, Ca 3988
Portland 3952
Riverside-San Bernardino 3872
Washington 3832
New Orleans 3808
Phoenix 3653
Chicago 3518
Seattle 3497
Houston 3445
San Antonio 3408
Provo 3339
Dallas-Fort Worth 3321
Colorado Springs 3304
Concord, Ca 3291
Murrieta, Ca 3240
Austin 3220
El Paso 3185
Baltimore 3166
Albuquerque 3036
Columbus 3032
Orlando 3003
Omaha 2921
Tampa-St Petersburg 2897
Virginia Beach-Norfolk 2883
Minneapolis-St Paul 2826
Ogden 2824
Philadelphia 2796
Detroit 2794
Des Moines 2600
Milwaukee 2548
Tucson 2502
Buffalo 2439
Boston 2384
Kansas City 2363
St Louis 2322
Indianapolis 2319
Oklahoma City 2306
Cleveland 2252
McAllen, Tx 2249
Sarasota 2227
Rochester 2221
Providence 2210
Charleston 2201
Jacksonville 2195
Grand Rapids 2194
Memphis 2157
Cincinnati 2140
Louisville 2107
Richmond 2081
Tulsa 2079
Raleigh 2072
Dayton 2061
Charlotte 2059
Bridgeport 2035
Albany 1998
Allentown 1989
Atlanta 1947
Nashville 1919
Fort Myers 1967
Pittsburgh 1899
New Haven 1852
Hartford 1779
Springfield 1766
Akron 1753
Worcester 1698
Baton Rouge 1651
Columbia 1604
Birmingham 1423
Knoxville 1378
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