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Old 11-04-2020, 10:32 AM
 
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^ A lot, if not all of these Urban Areas may actually be bigger, if adjacent urban clusters were added. Here is a list of the Urban Areas and Urban Clusters from 2010: https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...he-2010-census
That's certainly the case for Greenville, SC (441K pop in 2019) where Mauldin-Simpsonville is considered a separate UA of nearly 150K although it is thoroughly suburban Greenville and highly contiguous with its UA.
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Old 11-04-2020, 10:52 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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^ A lot, if not all of these Urban Areas may actually be bigger, if adjacent urban clusters were added. Here is a list of the Urban Areas and Urban Clusters from 2010: https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...he-2010-census
There are very few "clean" UAs out there. Most have a collection of clusters around them that don't get counted, others have adjacent UAs that are connected but not counted together, and yet others have both connected UAs and clusters. The impact to the reported size of these UAs varies with some being reported significantly smaller than their actual contiguous population, while others are minimally impacted because their orbit of clusters is insignificant in comparison. Of course, the "clean" UAs are the best statistically represented of the bunch.
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Old 11-04-2020, 12:57 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Per your earlier acceptance of abutting urbanized areas being treated as together, the Triangle was already 64% bigger than Birmingham in 2010.
Touché
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Old 11-10-2020, 11:30 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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What do we think are the reasons why Pittsburgh continues to lose population?
More deaths than births. In fact, I'd venture that they account for the entire loss now, and that net migration (including foreign immigration) has reached an equilibrium. There's no mass exodus from Pittsburgh anymore. Now there's just a mass die-off of all the elderly that everybody pointed and laughed at Pittsburgh for having in the 1990s and early 2000s. They weren't going to keep getting older forever.
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Old 11-11-2020, 07:12 AM
 
Location: New York City
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More deaths than births. In fact, I'd venture that they account for the entire loss now, and that net migration (including foreign immigration) has reached an equilibrium. There's no mass exodus from Pittsburgh anymore. Now there's just a mass die-off of all the elderly that everybody pointed and laughed at Pittsburgh for having in the 1990s and early 2000s. They weren't going to keep getting older forever.
Interesting. I suspect that is the case for a lot of Western PA.

Seems like the general Southeastern PA area is the only exception for PA (including Lehigh Valley and Lancaster).
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Old 11-17-2020, 08:11 AM
 
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Unsurprising to me to Nashville's UA is a fraction of the metro's size. The metro includes so many far flung towns and cities so this may be a more accurate representation of Nashville's overall feel. Still, it is good to see that the UA is still growing rapidly and not everyone is moving 50 miles out of the city.
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Old 11-17-2020, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Louisville
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Unsurprising to me to Nashville's UA is a fraction of the metro's size. The metro includes so many far flung towns and cities so this may be a more accurate representation of Nashville's overall feel. Still, it is good to see that the UA is still growing rapidly and not everyone is moving 50 miles out of the city.
Actually I think Nashville is one of the examples that showcase where UA is not a good example for measuring size. Nashville feels quite a bit larger than the other urban areas with 1 million people. It feels much more like it's peers in the MSA category than the UA category.
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Old 11-17-2020, 02:13 PM
 
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Actually I think Nashville is one of the examples that showcase where UA is not a good example for measuring size. Nashville feels quite a bit larger than the other urban areas with 1 million people. It feels much more like it's peers in the MSA category than the UA category.
It might be perception and/or skyline, because UA probably covers the vast majority of what one thinks of when they think Nashville. Most people don’t think of Murfreesboro or Hendersonville and their commuting patterns. “Nashville” is an amalgamation of UA, downtown, MSA, CSA, and intangibles, like most of the rest of the country.
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Old 11-18-2020, 12:49 AM
 
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Actually I think Nashville is one of the examples that showcase where UA is not a good example for measuring size. Nashville feels quite a bit larger than the other urban areas with 1 million people. It feels much more like it's peers in the MSA category than the UA category.
Having a bourgeoning tourism sector and nightlife scene probably has something to do with it also. You could probably throw NOLA in the same category too.
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Old 11-18-2020, 12:22 PM
 
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Actually I think Nashville is one of the examples that showcase where UA is not a good example for measuring size. Nashville feels quite a bit larger than the other urban areas with 1 million people. It feels much more like it's peers in the MSA category than the UA category.
You're right. The outer suburbs and larger/denser than normal downtown area do make it feel larger. I guess I was alluding to the fact that you don't have to stray too far from downtown to find some shockingly low-density areas and hills.
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