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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.37%
Philadelphia 176 51.61%
Boston 36 10.56%
Providence 10 2.93%
Harrisburg 11 3.23%
Newark 21 6.16%
Wilmington 20 5.87%
Jersey City 18 5.28%
Voters: 341. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-10-2021, 01:52 PM
 
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my s/o has family in Florence and Myrtle Beach and her roots are from SC/GA/AL. People from VA seem to have mostly moved to DC, Philly, Pittsburgh, Ohio, New Jersey, New York, and Boston.
When in Boston, Virginia is the #1 out-of-state plate I see from other black people (after Rhode Island which doesn't count, and half of them are *really* living in MA anyway).

Not CT, not NY, not NJ, not MD. Virginia.
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Old 09-10-2021, 04:16 PM
 
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for NJ, I've definitely met people with Alabama roots, so I think you're correct. We also colloquially like to call South Jersey, "Alabama" lol for perceived "countryness". I wonder if that's at all connected considering the long standing black population in South Jersey.
Good question and there may be something to that. I believe that Carl Lewis is an example, as he was born in Birmingham, but grew up in Willingboro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lewis
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Old 09-10-2021, 05:30 PM
 
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My mother is originally from SC(Mullins) and with family in nearby parts of NC(Fairmont and Lumberton). So, a lot of black people in the Northeast have roots in the Carolinas.

Ironically, like BBM my mom had an aunt that lived in Trenton that she looked just like. A lot of people from the area of SC she is from went to NJ, but quite few went to Upstate NY. For instance, the current mayor of Rochester, I found out her mother was from Kingstree. This former Buffalo city judge, who is Mary McLeod Bethune’s nephew was born and raised in Utica: https://www.uncrownedcommunitybuilde...n/james-mcleod In fact a former poster on here, her parents were from Andrews, which is the hometown of Chubby Checker and Chris Rock and had a lot of family in Rochester.

Florida is another one due to the migrant farm workers. Belle Glade and Pahokee are a couple places down there that may come up around Utica, the East End of Long Island and in the Finger Lakes areas of NY. Some from places in Central FL like Titusville, Ocala, Kissimmee, Osceola, Sanford, Apopka, etc.

Parts of AL come up quite a bit as well. In the Syracuse area, a lot of people with roots in the Auburn-Opelika/SE AL area for instance. Some from the Mobile area too.

Plenty of GA as well.

Some western TN/MS slips in further west in the Northeast. For instance, Aretha Franklin’s family actually went to Buffalo first then moved to Detroit. Her mother is actually buried there.

Our stories are similar. My grandmother (RIP) is from South Carolina and moved to Philadelphia in the 40's during the 'Black Migration'. I honestly think It's embedded in our DNA lol, what else can explain our penchant for moving to the Carolina's or Virginia? I have 2 uncles in Virginia and an Aunt in NC via Philadelphia. We're in the midst of another Black Migration- this time to the south.
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Old 09-10-2021, 05:34 PM
 
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my s/o has family in Florence and Myrtle Beach and her roots are from SC/GA/AL. People from VA seem to have mostly moved to DC, Philly, Pittsburgh, Ohio, New Jersey, New York, and Boston.
Yup, specifically from the Norfolk region.
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Old 09-10-2021, 06:48 PM
 
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Bronx Center for Science & Math: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000059106
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000059106

Bronx High for Medical Science: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000056069
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000056069

Bronx School for Law, Government and Justice: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000045609
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000045609

Young Women's Leadership School(Bronx): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000075027
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000075027

Mott Hall Bronx High: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000059091
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000059091

University Heights Secondary(Bronx): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000045661
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000045661

Alfred E. Smith Career-Tech(Bronx): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000045600
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000045600

City Polytechnic High(Brooklyn): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000065480
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000065480

George Westinghouse Career/Tech High(Brooklyn): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000043475
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000043475

Benjamin Banneker Academy(Brooklyn): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000045542
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000045542

Bedford Academy(Brooklyn): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000057162
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000057162

Science Skills Center High(Brooklyn): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000043506
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000043506

Queens High School of Teaching: https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000057166
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000057166

Martin Van Buren High(Queens): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000042135
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000042135

Business Technology Early College High(Queens): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000083440
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000083440

August Martin High(Queens): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000042129
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000042129

High School of Law Enforcement & Public Safety(Queens): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000057168
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000057168

York Early College Academy(Queens): https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000059621
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000059621

I'll stop there, but with maybe more later...
Just thinking of this thread while looking at the new US News & World Report school rankings, this school in Manhattan near Central Harlem fits the criteria according to the source and is ranked 216th nationally: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-school-147516

More information, which includes the NYSED Report Card which states that it is 19%: https://www.columbiasecondary.org/ap...REC_ID=1781456

https://www.columbiasecondary.org/

https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000060372
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000060372
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000060372

Boston Latin Academy, which is ranked 396th nationally fits the criteria according to the source: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...n-academy-9286

More on Boston Latin Academy in Dorchester: https://www.latinacademy.org/

https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/genera...gcode=00350545

Central High in Philadelphia meets the criteria as well and is ranked 229th nationally: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-17231

More information: https://centralhs.philasd.org/

https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...66142096178208
https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...26146009155028

For NJ, Infinity Institute in Jersey City meets the criteria and comes in at 182nd nationally: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...stitute-147505

More info: https://ii.jcboe.org/

https://rc.doe.state.nj.us/school/de...aphics?lang=EN
https://rc.doe.state.nj.us/school/de...ondary?lang=EN

Science Park in Newark is ranked 505th: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-12677

More info: https://www.nps.k12.nj.us/SCI/

https://rc.doe.state.nj.us/school/de...aphics?lang=EN
https://rc.doe.state.nj.us/school/de...ondary?lang=EN

In DE, MOT Charter is its highest ranked school that fits the criteria and comes in at 2,433rd nationally(out of over 24,000 schools): https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-school-200241

More info: https://motcharter.com/

In CT, Connecticut IB Academy in East Hartford is 494th nationally and the highest ranking school that meets the criteria: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...b-academy-4443

More info: https://ciba.easthartford.org/

In RI, the highest ranked school that meets the criteria is Times2 Academy in Providence comes in at 4,050th nationally: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-academy-17500

More info: https://times2.org/

https://reportcard.ride.ri.gov/20192...98&DistCode=28
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Old 09-13-2021, 09:13 AM
 
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My mother is originally from SC(Mullins) and with family in nearby parts of NC(Fairmont and Lumberton). So, a lot of black people in the Northeast have roots in the Carolinas.

Ironically, like BBM my mom had an aunt that lived in Trenton that she looked just like. A lot of people from the area of SC she is from went to NJ, but quite few went to Upstate NY. For instance, the current mayor of Rochester, I found out her mother was from Kingstree. This former Buffalo city judge, who is Mary McLeod Bethune’s nephew was born and raised in Utica: https://www.uncrownedcommunitybuilde...n/james-mcleod In fact a former poster on here, her parents were from Andrews, which is the hometown of Chubby Checker and Chris Rock and had a lot of family in Rochester.

Florida is another one due to the migrant farm workers. Belle Glade and Pahokee are a couple places down there that may come up around Utica, the East End of Long Island and in the Finger Lakes areas of NY. Some from places in Central FL like Titusville, Ocala, Kissimmee, Osceola, Sanford, Apopka, etc.

Parts of AL come up quite a bit as well. In the Syracuse area, a lot of people with roots in the Auburn-Opelika/SE AL area for instance. Some from the Mobile area too.

Plenty of GA as well.

Some western TN/MS slips in further west in the Northeast. For instance, Aretha Franklin’s family actually went to Buffalo first then moved to Detroit. Her mother is actually buried there.
In relation to the highlighted community, this old documentary from 1960 titled "Harvest of Shame" starts there and gives more insight into how some people migrated north via migrant farm work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJTVF_dya7E

Many did it until recently and some still do it and certain towns in NY like Lyons, Sodus, Albion, Medina, Geneva, parts of the Hamptons and the northern portion of the Eastern Fork of Long Island, etc. have visible black populations due to this form of migration. You can find some that came/come from the Caribbean in/near the Adirondacks as well to pick apples. Then, they would/may move to the bigger cities for better work or commute from some of the previously mentioned small towns/cities. So, some people/families came this way, but later may have found better and became middle class.
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Just thinking of this thread while looking at the new US News & World Report school rankings, this school in Manhattan near Central Harlem fits the criteria according to the source and is ranked 216th nationally: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-school-147516

More information, which includes the NYSED Report Card which states that it is 19%: https://www.columbiasecondary.org/ap...REC_ID=1781456

https://www.columbiasecondary.org/

https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000060372
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000060372
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000060372

Boston Latin Academy, which is ranked 396th nationally fits the criteria according to the source: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...n-academy-9286

More on Boston Latin Academy in Dorchester: https://www.latinacademy.org/

https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/genera...gcode=00350545

Central High in Philadelphia meets the criteria as well and is ranked 229th nationally: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-17231

More information: https://centralhs.philasd.org/

https://futurereadypa.org/School/Fas...66142096178208
https://futurereadypa.org/Performanc...26146009155028

For NJ, Infinity Institute in Jersey City meets the criteria and comes in at 182nd nationally: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...stitute-147505

More info: https://ii.jcboe.org/

https://rc.doe.state.nj.us/school/de...aphics?lang=EN
https://rc.doe.state.nj.us/school/de...ondary?lang=EN

Science Park in Newark is ranked 505th: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-12677

More info: https://www.nps.k12.nj.us/SCI/

https://rc.doe.state.nj.us/school/de...aphics?lang=EN
https://rc.doe.state.nj.us/school/de...ondary?lang=EN

In DE, MOT Charter is its highest ranked school that fits the criteria and comes in at 2,433rd nationally(out of over 24,000 schools): https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-school-200241

More info: https://motcharter.com/

In CT, Connecticut IB Academy in East Hartford is 494th nationally and the highest ranking school that meets the criteria: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...b-academy-4443

More info: https://ciba.easthartford.org/

In RI, the highest ranked school that meets the criteria is Times2 Academy in Providence comes in at 4,050th nationally: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-academy-17500

More info: https://times2.org/

https://reportcard.ride.ri.gov/20192...98&DistCode=28
Some more schools

Carver High in Philadelphia: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-17251
https://hses.philasd.org/

Academy at Palumbo in Philadelphia: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-palumbo-17210
https://palumbo.philasd.org/

Girard Academic Music Program in Philadelphia: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-program-17191
https://gamp.philasd.org/

John D. O'Bryant School of Mathematics and Science in Boston: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...d-science-9287
https://www.obryant.us/

Boston Collegiate Charter School in Boston: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...er-school-9238
https://www.bostoncollegiate.org/

Pioneer Charter School of Science in Everett MA outside of Boston: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...f-science-9255
https://www.pioneercss.org/

Academy of Aerospace and Engineering in Windsor CT outside of Hartford: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...gineering-4428
https://aaen.crecschools.org/

University High School of Science and Engineering in Hartford: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...gineering-4465
https://uhsse.org/

Metropolitan Learning Center in Bloomfield CT outside of Hartford: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...ng-center-4425
https://mlc.crecschools.org/

Central Park East High School in NYC(Manhattan): https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-13135
https://www.centralparkeasths.org/

Central Jersey College Prep Charter School in Somerset NJ: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...r-school-12457
https://www.cjcollegeprep.org/

Harlem Village Academy Charter School Ehvacs in NYC(Manhattan): https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...l-ehvacs-92131
https://harlemvillageacademies.org/h...cademies-high/

Some schools in other parts of the Northeast...

Pittsburgh Creative and Performing Arts in Pittsburgh: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...apa-6-12-17273
https://discoverpps.org/capa

Pittsburgh Science and Technology Academy: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...y-academ-17271
https://pittsburghscitech.com/

Pittsburgh Allderdice High School: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-17262
https://discoverpps.org/allderdice/spotlight

Frederick Olmsted #156 in Buffalo: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...sted-156-13554
https://www.buffaloschools.org/ps156
About Us – Olmsted at Kensington

Sweet Home Senior High School in Amherst NY outside of Buffalo: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-14107
https://www.sweethomeschools.org/Domain/13

Eastridge Senior High School in the East Irondequoit SD outside of Rochester: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-13647
https://www.eastiron.org/Domain/9

Engineering - Science University Magnet School in West Haven CT just outside of New Haven: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-school-153896
https://www.esumsnh.net/

Waterbury Career Academy in Waterbury CT: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...academy-153315
https://www.waterbury.k12.ct.us/4/Home

Stamford High School in Stamford CT: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...gh-school-4544
https://www.stamfordpublicschools.or...rd-high-school

Aerospace/Hydrospace Engineering and Physical Sciences High School in Bridgeport CT: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-school-153849
https://www.bridgeportedu.net/aero

Hampden Charter School of Science in Chicopee MA outside of Springfield: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-science-91966
https://hampdencharter.org/

Abby Kelley Foster Charter Public School in Worcester MA: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...ic-school-9236
https://www.akfcs.org/

There may be others, but I'll stop there. These schools listed from the US News & World Report Best High Schools article are schools in the top 25% of national public schools and that are at least 20% black.
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Some more schools

Carver High in Philadelphia: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-17251
https://hses.philasd.org/

Academy at Palumbo in Philadelphia: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-palumbo-17210
https://palumbo.philasd.org/

Girard Academic Music Program in Philadelphia: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-program-17191
https://gamp.philasd.org/

John D. O'Bryant School of Mathematics and Science in Boston: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...d-science-9287
https://www.obryant.us/

Boston Collegiate Charter School in Boston: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...er-school-9238
https://www.bostoncollegiate.org/

Pioneer Charter School of Science in Everett MA outside of Boston: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...f-science-9255
https://www.pioneercss.org/

Academy of Aerospace and Engineering in Windsor CT outside of Hartford: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...gineering-4428
https://aaen.crecschools.org/

University High School of Science and Engineering in Hartford: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...gineering-4465
https://uhsse.org/

Metropolitan Learning Center in Bloomfield CT outside of Hartford: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...ng-center-4425
https://mlc.crecschools.org/

Central Park East High School in NYC(Manhattan): https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-13135
https://www.centralparkeasths.org/

Central Jersey College Prep Charter School in Somerset NJ: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...r-school-12457
https://www.cjcollegeprep.org/

Harlem Village Academy Charter School Ehvacs in NYC(Manhattan): https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...l-ehvacs-92131
https://harlemvillageacademies.org/h...cademies-high/

Some schools in other parts of the Northeast...

Pittsburgh Creative and Performing Arts in Pittsburgh: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...apa-6-12-17273
https://discoverpps.org/capa

Pittsburgh Science and Technology Academy: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...y-academ-17271
https://pittsburghscitech.com/

Pittsburgh Allderdice High School: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-17262
https://discoverpps.org/allderdice/spotlight

Frederick Olmsted #156 in Buffalo: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...sted-156-13554
https://www.buffaloschools.org/ps156
About Us – Olmsted at Kensington

Sweet Home Senior High School in Amherst NY outside of Buffalo: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-14107
https://www.sweethomeschools.org/Domain/13

Eastridge Senior High School in the East Irondequoit SD outside of Rochester: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-13647
https://www.eastiron.org/Domain/9

Engineering - Science University Magnet School in West Haven CT just outside of New Haven: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-school-153896
https://www.esumsnh.net/

Waterbury Career Academy in Waterbury CT: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...academy-153315
https://www.waterbury.k12.ct.us/4/Home

Stamford High School in Stamford CT: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...gh-school-4544
https://www.stamfordpublicschools.or...rd-high-school

Aerospace/Hydrospace Engineering and Physical Sciences High School in Bridgeport CT: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-school-153849
https://www.bridgeportedu.net/aero

Hampden Charter School of Science in Chicopee MA outside of Springfield: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-science-91966
https://hampdencharter.org/

Abby Kelley Foster Charter Public School in Worcester MA: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...ic-school-9236
https://www.akfcs.org/

There may be others, but I'll stop there. These schools listed from the US News & World Report Best High Schools article are schools in the top 25% of national public schools and that are at least 20% black.
Pittsburgh? I went to college up there for 2 years, loved it, but have no plans of going back. I wouldn't advise black people moving there . Several black residents have expressed wanting to leave for somewhere they feel better represented. Anecdotal but it should count for something. I've read an article in which Pittsburgh was listed as 'one of the worst cities for black women', lot's of other similar articles out there. Pittsburgh and Milwaukee constantly show up.

*It's not in Pittsburgh, but Aliquippa High is infamous for producing lots of black NFL talent.
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Old 09-13-2021, 06:05 PM
 
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Pittsburgh? I went to college up there for 2 years, loved it, but have no plans of going back. I wouldn't advise black people moving there . Several black residents have expressed wanting to leave for somewhere they feel better represented. Anecdotal but it should count for something. I've read an article in which Pittsburgh was listed as 'one of the worst cities for black women', lot's of other similar articles out there. Pittsburgh and Milwaukee constantly show up.

*It's not in Pittsburgh, but Aliquippa High is infamous for producing lots of black NFL talent.
Yeah I liked Pittsburgh when I went but most of the black people from there tell me it's not the move. They say there's no chance for success. Against enjoyed my quick visit. But even folks who went to school there have told me you just can't flourish there. Definitely a white city, like outside of the black 25% it felt like virtually everyone was white.

Just recently I was told this about Pittsburgh again.

In 2017 I worked with a black woman at a hotel in downtown Boston and she said anything we had in Boston in terms of crime blight and poverty was chilesplay compared to Pittsburgh. Her mother and family lived there whole she lived with her father in Boston... so she went between Dorchester and Pittsburgh growing up in the 90s. Idk didn't seem that bad to me, really beautiful cityscape.
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What is interesting about the schools listed from the US News list that fits the 20% black and in the top 25% of public high schools nationally so far is that I believe only 3 of the high schools are a matter of just moving into the district or zone within the district. Those schools are Sweet Home HS in Amherst NY, Eastridge HS in eastern Irondequoit NY and Stamford HS in CT. The rest I believe are charter or magnet high schools. Stamford and maybe parts of eastern Irondequoit near NE Rochester offer true walkability. I would say that the 2 NY schools are in areas that are relatively more affordable as well. So, when looking at this list, these are some things that could be considered.

Also, I’m sure there are others schools that rate high that would apply as well, that just haven’t been listed yet.
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