Chicago/New York city similarities and differences (cost, compare, place)

[Chicago South Sider]

Chicago is still fairly affordable for the most part. New York is not:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-says-...131342375.html

[Master Jay]

Chicago South Sider,

HA! I saw that this morning. I thought to myself: Someone would have to be a FOOL to pay this much t olive ANY where! The inmates in the jail where I work have more room!!!!!

Hey, how's your workouts at the gym going?

I read last week that a dozen or so restaurants, and a gym, in Chicago were cited for not enforcing the vaccine card mandate.

Have you found a good, and close, gym?

Here in Milwaukee, the city says it is going back to a mask MANDATE in public places, but added that they realize it won't be ENFORCEABLE.... Isn't an UNFORCEABLE "MANDATE" kind of an oxymoron???

Stay safe, healthy, and happy EVERY ONE!!

[IronWright]

A major difference is NY has an eternal aspiration to showcase that it is the epicenter of the universe and the greatest city on the planet both physically and culturally and everything in between. The belief that anything is possible there is a civic spirit that I wish Chicago possessed and projected. The vision of what NY is and could or should be to the world on behalf of developers, foreign-investors, city officials and residents alike is eny-inducing.

Chicago has devolved into this state-of-mind that height and density are our enemy, everything needs to conform to its neighbors etc. Every parcel is bitterly fought over by various entities trying to control what gets built on them. Projects are often delayed years, forced to be redesigned and scaled back or canceled altogether over community demands that many times lead to lawsuits. We never see unique or innovative designs anymore even on "luxury buildings" or high-profile relatively low-risk office towers.

The revival of Gothic and Deco inspired structures that are sculptured and utilize limestone, terracotta, brass, bronze etc. and incorporate ornamental detailing in NY is putting it on a whole different tier, especially at the heights NY is building today with supertalls going up regularly. Blue-budget-boxes have become the standard in Chicago and our legacy has suffered for it. We do no innovate in any capacity any longer.

The High-Line vs. the 606 Trail is a great micro comparison of the difference in ambitions between these two cities. NY builds an amazing public space with new mid & high-rises buildings canyonizing the line forming an awesome urban backdrop. The actual path changes textures, has sculptures/art displays, varieties of seating and landscaping etc. while Chicago builds a neighborhood/family friendly trail where 2-4 story townhomes and tons of parking makes-up the surroundings. Chicago's antiquated and convoluted zoning laws and development process is weaponized to assure our neighborhoods never really see radical transformation or growth.

[Robert9]

Originally Posted by IronWright

A major difference is NY has an eternal aspiration to showcase that it is the epicenter of the universe and the greatest city on the planet both physically and culturally and everything in between. The belief that anything is possible there is a civic spirit that I wish Chicago possessed and projected. The vision of what NY is and could or should be to the world on behalf of developers, foreign-investors, city officials and residents alike is eny-inducing.

Chicago has devolved into this state-of-mind that height and density are our enemy, everything needs to conform to its neighbors etc. Every parcel is bitterly fought over by various entities trying to control what gets built on them. Projects are often delayed years, forced to be redesigned and scaled back or canceled altogether over community demands that many times lead to lawsuits. We never see unique or innovative designs anymore even on "luxury buildings" or high-profile relatively low-risk office towers.

The revival of Gothic and Deco inspired structures that are sculptured and utilize limestone, terracotta, brass, bronze etc. and incorporate ornamental detailing in NY is putting it on a whole different tier, especially at the heights NY is building today with supertalls going up regularly. Blue-budget-boxes have become the standard in Chicago and our legacy has suffered for it. We do no innovate in any capacity any longer.

The High-Line vs. the 606 Trail is a great micro comparison of the difference in ambitions between these two cities. NY builds an amazing public space with new mid & high-rises buildings canyonizing the line forming an awesome urban backdrop. The actual path changes textures, has sculptures/art displays, varieties of seating and landscaping etc. while Chicago builds a neighborhood/family friendly trail where 2-4 story townhomes and tons of parking makes-up the surroundings. Chicago's antiquated and convoluted zoning laws and development process is weaponized to assure our neighborhoods never really see radical transformation or growth.

Thank you! I have been saying this for a long time now! Including on here

[BigLake]

Originally Posted by IronWright

A major difference is NY has an eternal aspiration to showcase that it is the epicenter of the universe and the greatest city on the planet both physically and culturally and everything in between. The belief that anything is possible there is a civic spirit that I wish Chicago possessed and projected. The vision of what NY is and could or should be to the world on behalf of developers, foreign-investors, city officials and residents alike is eny-inducing.

Chicago has devolved into this state-of-mind that height and density are our enemy, everything needs to conform to its neighbors etc. Every parcel is bitterly fought over by various entities trying to control what gets built on them. Projects are often delayed years, forced to be redesigned and scaled back or canceled altogether over community demands that many times lead to lawsuits. We never see unique or innovative designs anymore even on "luxury buildings" or high-profile relatively low-risk office towers.

The revival of Gothic and Deco inspired structures that are sculptured and utilize limestone, terracotta, brass, bronze etc. and incorporate ornamental detailing in NY is putting it on a whole different tier, especially at the heights NY is building today with supertalls going up regularly. Blue-budget-boxes have become the standard in Chicago and our legacy has suffered for it. We do no innovate in any capacity any longer.

The High-Line vs. the 606 Trail is a great micro comparison of the difference in ambitions between these two cities. NY builds an amazing public space with new mid & high-rises buildings canyonizing the line forming an awesome urban backdrop. The actual path changes textures, has sculptures/art displays, varieties of seating and landscaping etc. while Chicago builds a neighborhood/family friendly trail where 2-4 story townhomes and tons of parking makes-up the surroundings. Chicago's antiquated and convoluted zoning laws and development process is weaponized to assure our neighborhoods never really see radical transformation or growth.

This is a good post. Sad, but good.

[TBideon]

Yeah, very eloquently written and accurate. There are other reasons why Chicago struggles compared to peer cities, but this description certainly hits some of the main ones.

[Master Jay]

WHAT is wrong with all you guys?!?

Did the Godfather Part 2 NOT teach us:

NEVER, go against the family!

...

Actually, I agree with all of you that IronWright wrote a very well, and intelligent perspective!

Like I said, I can't compare the 2 cities since I only know New York by what I see and read.

At the same time, Chicago essentially has not let me down. I have to stay loyal to the Chicago family!

Enjoy your day, all!

[DC's Finest]

Chicago is the more livable city in every way imaginable.

[Koji7]

Originally Posted by DC's Finest

Chicago is the more livable city in every way imaginable.

I agree with this! But I think problems start when you compare one place to another. That happens in our daily lives when we compare ourselves to someone else it’s something that is almost impossible to do. When I’m in Chicago I appreciate it for what it is and I see improvements made to the city every time I visit. An example is I like the Vista Tower especially the view from LSD it’s so memorable. Recently, a person I know wanted to see Tower Verre (53 W 53rd St) and we could not actually see it until we were standing in front of it. There is no space anywhere to see it, no vista at all. So to end the ramble Chicago is a great city and stands on its own. It’s just hard to compare any other city to NYC.

[Drewjdeg]

Chicago is a lot cleaner and is more beautiful at street level.

NY feels safer than Chicago (and it is statistically). NY has a more international feel.

Chicago is relatively affordable, NY is not.