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The Ports of Louisiana & Houston are so busy because of they have monopolized petroleum shipping in the Gulf of Mexico, something that's none a factor in Ports outside the Gulf of Mexico.
Baltimore specializes in Ro/Ro, while Seattle-Tacoma is geared to containerization. Both are solidly top 10 ports in the US (If not the continent) by trade value, which is what maters at the end of the day.
1. Los Angeles
2. New York
3. Long Beach
4. Savannah
5. Houston
6. Seattle
7. Tacoma
8. Norfolk
9. Charleston
10. Oakland
11. Miami
12. Baltimore
13. Everglades
14. Philadelphia
15. New Orleans
Houston is a top 5 port for volume, containers AND value. None of these othere cities in the poll are top 5 for containers or value (well Chicago Airport makes it) https://www.globaltrademag.com/top-2...-global-trade/
Since the Panama Canal updates the Gulf and East Coast Ports have been growing in imports.
If you think the Port of Houston is just petroleum exports you are 10 years behind the times.
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Originally Posted by btownboss4
If you don’t consider anything that’s Brackish to be coastal then there are like 5 coastal cities in the entire world.
Reading is fundamental. A lake is not an ocean. And I said the water bodies around Houston and Baltimore is brackish and I have been saying throughout the thread that they are coastal. Ponchatrain however is a freshwater lake. Again reading is fundamental .I said Ponchatrain gets brackish when you approach its outlet.
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Originally Posted by grega94
Lake Borgne was originally a lake back when the city was first built, but since then because of coastal erosion due to a lack of sediment being carried in the Mississippi River these days, the lake is now fully exposed.
Also something to keep in mind Lake Borgne has an average depth of only 9.8ft while the Puget Sound has an average depth of 450 ft.
1. Los Angeles
2. New York
3. Long Beach
4. Savannah
5. Houston
6. Seattle
7. Tacoma
8. Norfolk
9. Charleston
10. Oakland
11. Miami
12. Baltimore
13. Everglades
14. Philadelphia
15. New Orleans
Houston is a top 5 port for volume, containers AND value. None of these othere cities in the poll are top 5 for containers or value (well Chicago Airport makes it) https://www.globaltrademag.com/top-2...-global-trade/
Since the Panama Canal updates the Gulf and East Coast Ports have been growing in imports.
If you think the Port of Houston is just petroleum exports you are 10 years behind the times.
Reading is fundamental. A lake is not an ocean. And I said the water bodies around Houston and Baltimore is brackish and I have been saying throughout the thread that they are coastal. Ponchatrain however is a freshwater lake. Again reading is fundamental .I said Ponchatrain gets brackish when you approach its outlet.
Lake Ponchartrain isn’t a lake. Lake Bourge really really isn’t remotely a lakelike the East River isn’t a river. There is a lot of lakes and ponds along the coast that are not lakes or Ponds but mostly sheltered bays. But it doesn’t make them ponds. Lake Ponchartrain has a mean salinity of 13ppt, Baltimore’s inter harbor is around 6ppt. Where NOLA actually is is saltier than the mean. Since it’s in the SE of the lake.
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Reading is fundamental. A lake is not an ocean. And I said the water bodies around Houston and Baltimore is brackish and I have been saying throughout the thread that they are coastal. Ponchatrain however is a freshwater lake. Again reading is fundamental .I said Ponchatrain gets brackish when you approach its outlet.
Reading is fundamental, Lake Ponchartrain isn't freshwater.
1. Los Angeles
2. New York
3. Long Beach
4. Savannah
5. Houston
6. Seattle
7. Tacoma
8. Norfolk
9. Charleston
10. Oakland
11. Miami
12. Baltimore
13. Everglades
14. Philadelphia
15. New Orleans
Houston is a top 5 port for volume, containers AND value. None of these othere cities in the poll are top 5 for containers or value (well Chicago Airport makes it) https://www.globaltrademag.com/top-2...-global-trade/
Since the Panama Canal updates the Gulf and East Coast Ports have been growing in imports.
If you think the Port of Houston is just petroleum exports you are 10 years behind the times.
No one is saying Seattle or Baltimore have larger ports than Houston, but of them are major ports by any logical reasoning. Like major airports, shipping ports don't exist in a void so it's not a perfect apple-to-apple comparison.
Baltimore eclipsed Miami 21/22 when it handled over 1 million TEU, but until the Howard Street Tunnel is complete the container terminal is at functional capacity because it can't double stack trains so it never does "good" in that metric. It specializes in Ro/Ro and has been the number one vehicle port in the country for the last 12-13 years straight which offsets its "lack" of containers.
From 2018 (by trade value handled)
Los Angeles, CA $296,619,884,718
New York/New Jersey $206,505,862,676
Houston, TX $158,306,135,487
Long Beach, CA $108,996,007,771
Savannah, GA $101,099,883,174
Seattle/Tacoma, WA $77,450,330,848
Hampton Roads, VA $73,498,282,001
Charleston, SC $72,578,291,138
Baltimore, MD $59,580,288,084
New Orleans, LA $53,119,737,707
The East Coast ports if anything gained ground on the West Coast ports post-pandemic.
Puget Sound is an arm of the ocean. 100% connected. It has all the marine life of the pacific ocean and offers a unique habitat to a resident orca pod. The only parts that are brackish are areas where fresh water rivers flow in from the mountains (Puyallup, Duwamish etc). But that could be said about literally anywhere on earth. I consider it coastal. How could it not be?
No one is saying Seattle or Baltimore have larger ports than Houston, but they're by any logical reasoning, all major ports. Like major airports, shipping ports don't exist in a void so it's not a perfect apple-to-apple comparison.
Baltimore eclipsed Miami 21/22 when it handled over 1 million TEU, but until the Howard Street Tunnel is complete the container terminal is at functional capacity because it can't double stack trains so it never does "good" in that metric. It specializes in Ro/Ro and has been the number one vehicle port in the country for the last 12-13 years straight which offsets its "lack" of containers.
From 2018 (by trade value handled)
Los Angeles, CA $296,619,884,718
New York/New Jersey $206,505,862,676
Houston, TX $158,306,135,487
Long Beach, CA $108,996,007,771
Savannah, GA $101,099,883,174
Seattle/Tacoma, WA $77,450,330,848
Hampton Roads, VA $73,498,282,001
Charleston, SC $72,578,291,138
Baltimore, MD $59,580,288,084
New Orleans, LA $53,119,737,707
The East Coast ports if anything gained ground on the West Coast ports post-pandemic.
Gotcha. And I agree. And ports is just one arm of tge analysis if you look at all my posts I have repeatedly stated that Houston, Seattle and Baltimore are in the same boat (located on Bays/sounds). My only disagreement has been with those that keep insisting New Orleans is more coastal. New Orleans is my second home and it's nowhere as close to being coastal as Houston, Seattle and Baltimore.
If you have wondered why the structural density of New Orleans is so high but the population density is so so, it's because the eastern 3rd of the city is a nature reserve. The bayou Sauvage wildlife refuge occupies tge eastern third of the city bordering lake Borge. This is what it looks like https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Savauge_LA.jpg
It is uninhabited and is frequently flooded.
New Orleans is like Baton Rouge, it is River based culture.
And yes, East Coast ports have boomed during Covid, and for a short time Port of New York overtook Port of LA as the #1 port. But the Gulf ports grew too. And the South Florida ports are growing rapidly too. The Port of Houston handles a whopping 60% of gulf coast containers and it is presently undergoing a $1.6 Billion expansion which includes, dredging, widening, lengthening and creating a new terminal. Warehouse real-estate in the metro is booming, and retailers like Walmart and Amazon has huge logistics operations there.
New Orleans has had centuries of trade export business but that is a factor of it being on the Mississippi and not tge Coast. New Orleans used to be the #1 exporter of grain in the WORLD, and it is still the country's #1 agricultural exporter BECAUSE OF THE MISSISSIPPI. New Orleans is connected to the nation's bread basket via the Mississippi and tons of agricultural produce are floated down the Mississippi to New Orleans. New Orleans is also a huge exporter of petroleum chemicals and the channels in the Mississippi River delta are littered with refineries.
In fact New Orleans existence is due to its position on the River. The French wanted to have a direct connection between its northern territories such as the New world capital Quebec and other strategic French territories such as Detroit. The original site was Biloxi, then Mobile, but the wild nature of the gulf caused the French to move further inland and founded New Orleans. The French could float furs/pelts down the Mississippi to New Orleans which became a major RIVER port.
Gotcha. And I agree. And ports is just one arm of tge analysis if you look at all my posts I have repeatedly stated that Houston, Seattle and Baltimore are in the same boat (located on Bays/sounds). My only disagreement has been with those that keep insisting New Orleans is more coastal. New Orleans is my second home and it's nowhere as close to being coastal as Houston, Seattle and Baltimore.
If you have wondered why the structural density of New Orleans is so high but the population density is so so, it's because the eastern 3rd of the city is a nature reserve. The bayou Sauvage wildlife refuge occupies tge eastern third of the city bordering lake Borge. This is what it looks like https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Savauge_LA.jpg
It is uninhabited and is frequently flooded.
New Orleans is like Baton Rouge, it is River based culture.
And yes, East Coast ports have boomed during Covid, and for a short time Port of New York overtook Port of LA as the #1 port. But the Gulf ports grew too. And the South Florida ports are growing rapidly too. The Port of Houston handles a whopping 60% of gulf coast containers and it is presently undergoing a $1.6 Billion expansion which includes, dredging, widening, lengthening and creating a new terminal. Warehouse real-estate in the metro is booming, and retailers like Walmart and Amazon has huge logistics operations there.
New Orleans has had centuries of trade export business but that is a factor of it being on the Mississippi and not tge Coast. New Orleans used to be the #1 exporter of grain in the WORLD, and it is still the country's #1 agricultural exporter BECAUSE OF THE MISSISSIPPI. New Orleans is connected to the nation's bread basket via the Mississippi and tons of agricultural produce are floated down the Mississippi to New Orleans. New Orleans is also a huge exporter of petroleum chemicals and the channels in the Mississippi River delta are littered with refineries.
In fact New Orleans existence is due to its position on the River. The French wanted to have a direct connection between its northern territories such as the New world capital Quebec and other strategic French territories such as Detroit. The original site was Biloxi, then Mobile, but the wild nature of the gulf caused the French to move further inland and founded New Orleans. The French could float furs/pelts down the Mississippi to New Orleans which became a major RIVER port.
Puget Sound is an arm of the ocean. 100% connected. It has all the marine life of the pacific ocean and offers a unique habitat to a resident orca pod. The only parts that are brackish are areas where fresh water rivers flow in from the mountains (Puyallup, Duwamish etc). But that could be said about literally anywhere on earth. I consider it coastal. How could it not be?
Take a look at a map of the pacific northwest region, the area designated as the coast, and Seattle's relation to it.
Strange that the same academic rigor being used to define "coastal" to exclude the other cities isn't really being applied to Seattle.
Take a look at a map of the pacific northwest region, the area designated as the coast, and Seattle's relation to it.
Strange that the same academic rigor being used to define "coastal" to exclude the other cities isn't really being applied to Seattle.
A similar example would be the Mediterranean. I recognize the differences, however it is only connected at Gibraltar, which is much more narrow than the straight of Juan de Fuca. Is Italy, Greece, Spain, Egypt, Israel, Tunisia etc coastal? I would consider it so. But at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. Puget Sound is a diverse marine habitat that connects to land. It's biodiversity and geography is that of a coast. But maybe coast is just open ocean first to hit land. Okay then.
A similar example would be the Mediterranean. I recognize the differences, however it is only connected at Gibraltar, which is much more narrow than the straight of Juan de Fuca. Is Italy, Greece, Spain, Egypt, Israel, Tunisia etc coastal? I would consider it so. But at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. Puget Sound is a diverse marine habitat that connects to land. It's biodiversity and geography is that of a coast. But maybe coast is just open ocean first to hit land. Okay then.
Biodiversity has almost nothing to do with being a coast or an ocean but I do think if you call these other cities coastal then Seattle is too.
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