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Seattle Puget Sound. That's orca whales you see there right next to the city. Own photo. You don't even need a whale tour to go miles out into the sea. I'm not sure how people can argue that Seattle isn't coastal.
The orca whales, humpbacks, grey whales, Pacific giant octopuses, Alaskan salmon, and bald eagles seem to think it's coastal.
Those statements are not congruent with facts, so the conclusions do not hold up.
Lake Ponchatrain has an average salinity of 3.5 ppt
Galveston has an average salinity of 12.45 ppt
Chesapeake Bay has an average salinity between 13 and 15 ppt
Patapsco at its mouth has a salinity between 7-10 ppt
At its highest Pontchartrain mean salinity is 5.2 ppt while Galveston and Chesapeake highest mean salinity is near mid 30s which is equal to ocean water salinity.
And an estuary isn't a lagoon or a bay. This is the definition of estuary: the tidal mouth of a large river, where the tide meets the stream. I guess the outlet of the Pontchartrain would fit that definition, but the development you speak of isn't at the outlet.
Pontchartrain salinity near the city of New Orleans is identical to the salinity of Lake michigan which has a wider salinity range than Pontchartrain near New Orleans. If the shores of Pontchartrain is the ocean then so is Lake Michigan
Either, the Ocean is beyond the Delmarva and beyond the Mississippi State Line. And in Seattle past the edge of Vancouver Island.
New Orleans is closer to the ocean. Plus Salinity around SELA is quite low in general because the 3rd largest river in the world dumps out right there. There are places 50 miles into the Gulf of Mexico from the end of the Mississippi with a Salinity of like 15ppt
If you exclude coastal estuaries there basically are 0 coastal cities on the entire planet.
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And an estuary isn't a lagoon or a bay. This is the definition of estuary: the tidal mouth of a large river, where the tide meets the stream. I guess the outlet of the Pontchartrain would fit that definition, but the development you speak of isn't at the outlet.
Here, you are insinuating that Lake Ponchartrain is an estuary.
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New Orleans is furthest from open water as Lake Pontchartrain is a massive lake. It is bigger than Galveston Bay so crossing it takes a longer time and after crossing it you still are not in open water. The earliest claim to open water for Pontchartrain would be Rigolets Pass Bridge near Slidell:
That area would be equivalent to the Fort McHenry area in Baltimore but it is 50 miles from downtown New Orleans and no roads go there, while Fort McHenry area has roads gallore.
Rigolets Pass Bridge area would be equivalent to the clear lake neighborhood of Houston which is right on open water, and equivalent to the whole stretch of Seattle which is all along open water.
Has anyone here saying New Orleans is closet to tge gulf tried driving to the coast? You can't cause that area has none. Try mapping a route to that area. You can't.
All other cities being discusses here have roads that take you to the coast except the area yall are calling the coast of New Orleans
And here in bold you're claiming it's now a lake. Make up your mind.
The rest of this post makes no sense, the coast is marsh. I remember learning in middle school that marsh is pretty difficult to develop. And yes, you can drive right to Rigolets, there's literally a bridge right there. https://maps.app.goo.gl/TabtaxhpM57n5B9b9
I'm not sure how people can argue that Seattle isn't coastal.
Some people might argue that because Seattle isn't located near the geographic feature commonly referred to as "the coast", it might not be the most deserving of that designation.
Either, the Ocean is beyond the Delmarva and beyond the Mississippi State Line. And in Seattle past the edge of Vancouver Island.
New Orleans is closer to the ocean. Plus Salinity around SELA is quite low in general because the 3rd largest river in the world dumps out right there. There are places 50 miles into the Gulf of Mexico from the end of the Mississippi with a Salinity of like 15ppt
If you exclude coastal estuaries there basically are 0 coastal cities on the entire planet.
Ughhhh..... Miami (Beach), LA, SF, Rio De Janeiro, Golds Coast, Casablanca, Mogadishu?... I could go on.
There are a lot of cities that literally sit on the open ocean.
Ughhhh..... Miami (Beach), LA, SF, Rio De Janeiro, Golds Coast, Casablanca, Mogadishu?... I could go on.
There are a lot of cities that literally sit on the open ocean.
Miami Beach really isn’t a City, Miami is. Rio is also actually on an estuine bay and sprawled to the Coast rather than really being on the coast. LA was founded about 9 miles inland and not actually on the coast. And pretty much the only coastal land in city limits even today is the airport. Even the gold coast’s CBD is actually on the mainland side of an estuary intracoastal not the actual open ocean. SF was founded in the Bay, sprawled to the ocean.
0 was an exaggeration but relatively few cities that are actually coastal. In the sense that would categorically exclude New Orleans or something which is maybe 15-16 miles from the ocean.
Mostly because most large cities have some fresh water source and a sheltered harbor.
Combine those two things and you get an estuary
Lisbon, Venice, Boston, New York, Charleston, Antwerp, Riga, St Petersburg, Shanghai, Mumbai, Tokyo, Basara, Karachi, Manila etc all on estuaries
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Miami Beach really isn’t a City, Miami is. Rio is also actually on an estuine bay and sprawled to the Coast rather than really being on the coast. LA was founded about 9 miles inland and not actually on the coast. And pretty much the only coastal land in city limits even today is the airport. Even the gold coast’s CBD is actually on the mainland side of an estuary intracoastal not the actual open ocean. SF was founded in the Bay, sprawled to the ocean.
0 was an exaggeration but relatively few cities that are actually coastal. In the sense that would categorically exclude New Orleans or something which is maybe 15-16 miles from the ocean.
Mostly because most large cities have some fresh water source and a sheltered harbor.
Combine those two things and you get an estuary
Lisbon, Venice, Boston, New York, Charleston, Antwerp, Riga, St Petersburg, Shanghai, Mumbai, Tokyo,
You’re cheery picking my guy.
Using arbitrary apple to oranges administrative limits or the geographic location of the core/CBD relative to the body of water as grounds for disqualification is beyond silly imho.
It doesn’t matter if downtown LA is 14 miles from the coast, the rest of the city spread to it and that’s that.
Using arbitrary apple to oranges administrative limits or the geographic location of the core/CBD relative to the body of water as warrant grounds for disqualification is beyond silly imho.
It is blatantly clear what cities cit on a coast and which ones does (technicalities and all)
Rio is about 6 miles from the beach. San Francisco is about 7. New Orleans is maybe 12 miles from what’s kinda clearly the ocean (and it’s not like there is actual land between it and the ocean. That’s really not hugely different
If you use administrative boundaries New Orleans is pretty much not debatably coastal as the city stretches quite Far East. The argument for it not being coastal is it’s historically a river port and not oriented towards the Gulf of Mexico
I’m cherry picking on purpose because those games are the only real way to exclude New Orleans which seem crazy if a similar standard is applied to other cities
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The flaw in your argument is that it is based on the assumption that my stance is: New Orleans is not coastal.
You need to redo the argument to my actual point : New Orleans is LESS coastal than the others.
It is impossible to disagree with me when by your own statement you say NOLA is some miles off of open water while New Orleans is as you put it 12M away from open water the others are 0.
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