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You do know that you can take a boat/ship from the docks of the Sacramento River in Downtown Sacramento and go directly down the river to San Francisco Bay and out the Golden Gate to the Pacific Ocean.
Do commercial cruise lines such as Carnival and Royal Caribbean etc. dock in Sacramento and go out on voyages of the Pacific or beyond from there?...
Do commercial cruise lines such as Carnival and Royal Caribbean etc. dock in Sacramento and go out on voyages of the Pacific or beyond from there?...
I read there's a cruise to the San Francisco Bay which isn't quite the Pacific, but it's something.
I'll put in two points I think for me go in favor of Sacramento over Baltimore.
My general preference for dining is East Asian, Southeast Asian, and Mexican, and Sacramento is better for this in quantity and quality than Baltimore. I'm also guessing that the produce for these cuisines and other things is generally higher quality in Sacramento than in Baltimore.
While I think I strongly prefer the peak neighborhoods in Baltimore over that of Sacramento, and if for some reason I had to choose between living in one of these two cities I'd certainly being going for my favorite neighborhoods, there's also probably a win for Sacramento for having the better "worst" neighborhoods in terms of being plagued by violence and generational poverty.
As far as urbanity goes, I think it's important to establish that Sacramento is one of the most urban large cities in the nation. The list of cities that are more urban than Sac is a small one. Sacramento is one of the 20 most urban cities, which to me is the combo of built form + amenities, of America's anchor cities of 2-million plus metros...
So yes, while it is a scale down in urbanity from Baltimore, clearly Baltimore is among an even shorter list of most urban cities....most US cities are not as urban as Sacramento, California. I think it's important to point this out, as some commentary can read as if Sac is more suburban than it actually is. It's still in the Top 20, maybe even Top 15, of 2-million+ anchor cities....
As far as urbanity goes, I think it's important to establish that Sacramento is one of the most urban large cities in the nation. The list of cities that are more urban than Sac is a small one. Sacramento is one of the 20 most urban cities, which to me is the combo of built form + amenities, of America's anchor cities of 2-million plus metros...
So yes, while it is a scale down in urbanity from Baltimore, clearly Baltimore is among an even shorter list of most urban cities....most US cities are not as urban as Sacramento, California. I think it's important to point this out, as some commentary can read as if Sac is more suburban than it actually is. It's still in the Top 20, maybe even Top 15, of 2-million+ anchor cities....
I think if we went by contiguous blocs which can include more than one bloc in a metropolitan area (like the Long Beach bloc in LA is separate from the central bloc; Newark bloc is separate from the core NYC bloc; East Bay / Oakland is separate from the SF bloc, etc.) and without a 2-million+ population anchor requirement, Sacramento is in the 30-40 range somewhere which is very high for the US. There does seem to be something like a power law thing happening though where the drop from 1st place to 5th place is a lot more dramatic than that from 5th to 10th or 10th to 15th.
However, another thing to note is that Baltimore still hasn't really stabilized yet and the last decennial census still had it losing population while Sacramento is still gaining and state legislation passed in recent years has allowed for even greater density that would override local zoning, so I think there's a chance we'll see Sacramento pass Baltimore on urbanity in our lifetimes.
I think if we went by contiguous blocs which can include more than one bloc in a metropolitan area (like the Long Beach bloc in LA is separate from the central bloc; Newark bloc is separate from the core NYC bloc; East Bay / Oakland is separate from the SF bloc, etc.) and without a 2-million+ population anchor requirement, Sacramento is in the 30-40 range somewhere which is very high for the US. There does seem to be something like a power law thing happening though where the drop from 1st place to 5th place is a lot more dramatic than that from 5th to 10th or 10th to 15th.
However, another thing to note is that Baltimore still hasn't really stabilized yet and the last decennial census still had it losing population while Sacramento is still gaining and state legislation passed in recent years has allowed for even greater density that would override local zoning, so I think there's a chance we'll see Sacramento pass Baltimore on urbanity in our lifetimes.
Its population hasn’t but its occupied housing has (which is a better indicator of health).
Baltimore’s occupied housing has been growing for the greater part of the decade so it’s building more housing than its demoing or that are going vacant. The difference is that its average household size is retracting faster than it can build. (Singles/couples moving in vs. families moving out) which is causing the population bleed.
Its population hasn’t but its occupied housing has (which is a better indicator of health).
Baltimore’s occupied housing has been growing for the greater part of the decade so it’s building more housing than its demoing or that are going vacant. The difference is that its average household size is retracting faster than it can build. (Singles/couples moving in vs. families moving out) which is causing the population bleed.
Yea, I think that's a good sign, and I think there's a reasonable chance that the 2030 census will see a net gain in population. I do think Sacramento will likely have a substantially greater 2030 positive population change than Baltimore, but who knows what happens after that. There's a good chance that Sacramento does come out in 2030 with a larger municipal population count than Baltimore, though it should be noted that Sacramento has 17 more square miles than Baltimore.
Hard to believe that Baltimore had 950,000 pop within their city limits last century
City Limits:
1950 Population
Baltimore: 950,000
Sacramento: 138,000
1980 Population
Baltimore: 787,000
Sacramento: 275,000
2010 Population
Baltimore: 620,000
Sacramento: 467,000
2023 Population
City of Sacramento: 520,000 + City of West Sacramento: 55,000 = 575,000
Baltimore: 565,000
Did you just arbitrarily annex another municipality to Sacramento, which is already physically larger than Baltimore, to get the population number higher than Baltimore?
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