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Those maps even if they are 8 years old, show a huge difference in size and urbanized area. Charlotte looks small in comparison. So saying Charlotte is comprable because a city 50 miles away out in the CSA and in the stix where there is no real urbanity, is not a good selling point.
LOL, you're exaggerating big time here. The figures are the figures, and for both cities they are comparable. Those maps are old, and that makes a significant difference.
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MSA vs CSA they may be comprable but thats about it. About 700k people would have to move into the city limits of Charlotte for it to be comprable to San Antonio.
City limits are arbitrary lines drawn by politicians for tax purposes. That's why San Antonio can be larger than Dallas, Atlanta, Miami, DC, etc. on paper.
LOL, you're exaggerating big time here. The figures are the figures, and for both cities they are comparable. Those maps are old, and that makes a significant difference.
City limits are arbitrary lines drawn by politicians for tax purposes. That's why San Antonio can be larger than Dallas, Atlanta, Miami, DC, etc. on paper.
Dallas covers 389 square miles with a population of 1.2 million, San Antonio covers about the same land area and not far from 1.4 million mark. The core population, where density and urbanity is what the name of the game is, Dallas and S.A are comprable.
So comparing cities by it's exburbs, or little towns that may have some affilation, isn't a good example of urbanity, that is not the true essence of a city. Charlotte and San Antonio are not equal in that regard.
The topic brought up more in these forums is urbanity and density, building up are cores, anti-sprawl, so CSA's & MSA's really has no revelance when density and urbanity are the topic.
Charlotte is nearly 300 sq miles and has half the population of San Antonio in a comprable land area, San Antonio a bit larger but way more populated. A good measurment of a cities bones is the first 500 square miles, not 5,000 square miles, anything beyond 500, it might as well be located on the banks of the Thames river, it won't make much of a tickle as far as urbanity is concerned. Mega cities like L.A would be the exception.
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Dallas covers 389 square miles with a population of 1.2 million, San Antonio covers about the same land area and not far from 1.4 million mark. The core population, where density and urbanity is what the name of the game is, Dallas and S.A are comprable.
So comparing cities by it's exburbs, or little towns that may have some affilation, isn't a good example of urbanity, that is not the true essence of a city. Charlotte and San Antonio are not equal in that regard.
But some of those "little towns" are well within the urbanized area of these cities; they simply have their own political jurisdiction. City limits are arbitrary.
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The topic brought up more in these forums is urbanity and density, building up are cores, anti-sprawl, so CSA's & MSA's really has no revelance when density and urbanity are the topic.
Actually we discuss all those things here and much more. Just look at where a lot of people automatically decide to relocate to when they move from one city to the other--the suburbs. The discussions here run the gamut.
[/quote]Charlotte is nearly 300 sq miles and has half the population of San Antonio in a comprable land area, San Antonio a bit larger but way more populated. A good measurment of a cities bones is the first 500 square miles, not 5,000 square miles, anything beyond 500, it might as well be located on the banks of the Thames river, it won't make much of a tickle as far as urbanity is concerned.[/quote]
It depends on how large the city is. You'll still get good numbers on cities like NYC, Paris, London, Tokyo, etc. based on the first 5K sq mi.
How many trips to Charlotte has SweethomeSanAntonio actually made? NONE. Stop talking about things you aren't familiar with. Your data is outdated, your argument is without merit. GIVE IT UP.
No doubt Charlotte is a financial hub. The discussion was on urban dense areas, not about Charlottes banking industry..
San Antonio has a diversified economy, a financial industry which is the largest in Texas, over 21 billion impact on the city. That list is not accurate, Tulsa? Tijuana Mex? Come on please.
San Antonio is a nafta hub, is home to the NAFTA Bank, and is a major inland port. San Antonio would have had 7 F500, but lost At&T, Ultramar-Diamond Shamrock merged but gained Nustar Energy, it now back down to 5. Charlotte has what 7?
San Antonio did not make the list for a reason...it isn't a global city. Deal with it.
Of course, any time your city doesn't make the ranking, the list is immediately "not accurate". Go figure.
Yea San Antonio hopes to be a Tijuana or Tulsa one day. Maybe I will bring a few qoutes of the many forumers who think the list is a joke. Show me a creditable source.
I have been to Charlotte three times, Raleigh- Durham, Winston Salem as well and Charlotte is no way near as developed as San Antonio, it's the truth.
Not becasue SA didnt make the list, it is the cities that did, which makes the list a joke. How is Tulsa more Global than San Antonio? SA is the nafta hub, trade between Mexico and Cananda, the second largest U.S. National denfese hub outside DC, and the center military medicine. Tulsa has what, Oral Roberts University. I use to live in Tulsa and sorry but no way.
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Texas cities tend to be more developed than other southern cities within the core because our cities are so big in space. Texas cities usually have small yards, narrow streets, and little space between houses. For example, if you wanted a nice size yard in cities like Dallas,San Antonio, or Houston. Your either going to be paying LOTS or moving way out into the country. The same goes for smaller Texas cities.
According to the world skyline rankings used in architects world digest, as of the 2009 updates, SA has only 11 buildings over 90 meters in height with the tallest being 166 m (and its a hotel). If we throw in your "population density" factoids with that, it just tells me that San Antonio is the countries largest (sub) urban sprawl. I've been there and the downtown does not scream "huge" city. It is nice, but it does not feel urban. So why are we so locked up on this (yes this did start with Skyline since pictures were posted)?
Charlotte may be smaller but is much more commercially urban then SA. Also the development page at another site that I can't link to shows a massive difference between Charlotte and SA (1300 posts vs 44 posts describing urban development with picture updates).
According to the world skyline rankings used in architects world digest, as of the 2009 updates, SA has only 11 buildings over 90 meters in height with the tallest being 166 m (and its a hotel). If we throw in your "population density" factoids with that, it just tells me that San Antonio is the countries largest (sub) urban sprawl. I've been there and the downtown does not scream "huge" city. It is nice, but it does not feel urban. So why are we so locked up on this (yes this did start with Skyline since pictures were posted)?
Charlotte may be smaller but is much more commercially urban then SA. Also the development page at another site that I can't link to shows a massive difference between Charlotte and SA (1300 posts vs 44 posts describing urban development with picture updates).
Your definatly going to get more of an urban experience in SA than in Char. You have tons of people walking the streets in downtown unlike in Charlotte. San Antonio's downtown is considered one of the most sucessful downtowns in the southern area. Charlotte's downtown is much more new and lacks the grit and edginess of SA's downtown.
More taller buildings does not make a city more better or more urban. Just look at cities like Houston, Atlanta, or Dallas. Tons of tall buildings, but the streets are usually dead and lacks a real urban feel compared to northern cities.
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