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That is just as ignorant as saying "Pittsburgh is all steel mills and coal mines." For one thing, your "sunbelt cities" weren't all magically built at the same time, so very many of them were bustling, growing cities long before the rise of the automobile. Do some reading and investigate that fact - it will help you intelligently discuss U.S. cities. (A correction to your population statistic above...Pittsburgh peaked at 676,000 and steadily declined in population through the 1950s and beyond)
Atlanta's population was 331,000 in 1950 (incidentally larger than the current Pittsburgh) and the city had been growing steadily since the Civil War. Atlanta has done a lot of growing since 1950 (incidentally Pittsburgh hasn't), but was already grown up - a large city - by the time the automobile became a common form of transportation. Atlanta had a very extensive electric trolley system and was already the commercial, industrial, political, financial, and transportation center of the southeast. You need to realize that Atlanta isn't much further west than Pittsburgh, so as the U.S. grew in that direction the cities developed.
I'm pretty sure I discussed this with you before...this isn't a fantasy or exaggeration. Take the opportunity to learn something new and expand your horizons, because you are certainly not educated about life outside of your little environment. If you had any knowledge of "sunbelt cities" (that nickname has almost run its course) you would know those cities are all very different from one another - as is every city everywhere. Each one has both advantages and drawbacks that are completely different; each city also has a separate and unique history. That's a very easy concept to grasp...the unique indivduality of people and places.
So San Antonio isn't the most densely populated city that ever existed. That's just one aspect of that city, and obviously not the most important one to the many, many, many people who have relocated there. By the way, Atlanta's density of 4,000/sq.mi. is not far behind Pittsburgh's 5,600/sq.mi. - and Atlanta's density is increasing as the population of the city increases, while Pittsburgh's is decreasing. (I'm sure you realize that Pittsburgh's metro sprawls over 5400 sq.mi. - far from a compact expanse)
You might want to read up on some current information about Atlanta and other cities because I know you love to hurl the word "sprawl" at your "sunbelt cities". This 2008 Planetizen article titled The End of Atlanta's Sprawl may give you some insight into at least one "sunbelt city": The End of Atlanta's Sprawl | Planetizen
I listed San Antonio density over the decades. Going by these figures San Antonio of 1930 was more dense and comprably populated to the Pittsburgh of today. So the theory that Sunbelt cities are not dense or have never been dense is further from the truth.
San Antonio's population within 35.7 square miles is pretty much the same density today as in past decades. Whenever a city annexes land the average density per sqaure mile lowers, but thats it. It doesn't mean the population distribution changes.
1920
41. San Antonio city, TX..... 161,379 35.7 4,520
1930
38. San Antonio city, TX..... 231,542 35.7 6,486
1940
36. San Antonio city, TX..... 253,854 35.7 7,111
They consider the last ones on the bottom left to be "Brownstones"?... If so..... !!!!!!!
I know! Everyone is so stupid outside of Pittsburgh!
Who is "they"? The person who took the photo labeled it that way - there is no "they" involved. The fact that this comment is all you could come up with is just another testament to your resentment toward cities you don't understand - your "sunbelt cities".
Well, let's do a side-by-side comparison between the two to look at you statement.
S.A. 1: Population is now over 1.3 million people. (largest it's ever been)
2: City is 407 Sq Miles
3: Density is 2,808 per Sq mile
Pittsburgh 1: Population is now around 312,000 people and continues to shrink. (population in the 1950's was around 700,000)
2: City is 55 Sq Miles
3: Density is 5,636 people per Sq mile (double what S.A.'s is)
Now remember, Pittsburgh have loss MORE than 50% of it's population. It's DENSITY years ago was was over 12,000 people per Sq mile. Where as S.A. has the largest population it ever has and continues to grow, but it's DENSITY is still pitiful. (typical of a sunbelt)
S.A. city limits are 8 times the size of Pittsburgh's. S.A.'s population is more than 4 times larger than Pittsburgh's. Yet, S.A.'s DENSITY is half of Pittsburgh's. Imagine trying to compare it with the 1950's Pittsburgh DENSITY.
Pittsburgh's job DENSITY is still ranked 6th in the nation.
The cities in the sunbelt are SPRAWL, to say otherwise is inaccurate. Cities in the Northeast or Eastcoast were built up and heavily populated before the car was even built. Sunbelt cities were built around the car, BIG difference! Everybody moves to a sunbelt city, and wants to live in a city, but have a home like they would in the suburbs!.... Move to the burbs then!
'If' you've ever been to Pittsburgh, you'd know the difference. The narrow streets and rowhouses is what creates density and makes the nabes walkable!
Why so much disdain for the sunbelt? We like to do things differently down here. If every city down here were like NYC, Pittsburg, Phi, Bos, or what have you, it would be pretty boring, and we would seem like copycats.
You do have to remeber that places like Houston and San Antonio annexed their suburbs, though. Houston proper has half the population of its metro and San Antonio 70% of its metro. If these cities only had 25% of the metro population closest to the CBD like Pittsburgh and Boston do, then the density would be very close to the Northern cities.
Very, Very, true. Same could be said for ALOT of other sunbelt cities.
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If so.....
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