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Dude, YOU bring up the suburbs with your SPRAWL comments. Do you really think that all of this imaginary sprawl exists in these cities? Sprawl is a suburban phenomenon...
Not necessarily. Suburbs are the biggest culprits, by far. But cities can be very sprawled as well. Houston, for example, is a major example of this.
Just to discredit this by 100 percent. You just love to spice up threads don't you.
Allegheny county 745 square miles. includes all more urban and dense Pittsburgh that you claim.
Allegheny county 745 sq miles. 1,281,666 1,761 per square mile
San Antonio is more dense. 1.4 million @ 300(408 with newely annexed undeveloped land) square miles.
My man, the sun doesn't rise early enough for you to be able to "discredit" me!...
Again, we are talking about CITIES, not SUBURBS! I know you "sunbelt" guys have trouble being able to tell the difference between the two!....
But what you're trying to say, is that "sunbelt cities" ain't 'real' cities, more like big suburban "annexed" towns.......I agree with you 100%!... Thanks for making my point!....
Phoenix's city popluation surpassed Philly's cause of this VERY reason, "annexing"!
Your knowledge of "sunbelt cities" is quite obviously NOT vast. You can say it over and over, but you exhibit your lack of knowledge of these cities in your misinformed, biased words.
So...when someone else points out Pittsburgh's massive sprawl, you immediately refer to the city's downtown/urban areas; yet when I've let you know that the sprawl in Atlanta and other southern cities IS IN THE SUBURBS and that, like Pittsburgh, the city is the city. Ya know, that little tidbit just exposes your unreasonable arguments for what they are...over-adoration for your still deteriorating city and unnecessary hatred for growing, popular cities.
We aren't stealing your people...they are leaving dead-end cities for a better life and better environment - on their own free will. Your resentment toward the "sunbelt cities" (have you learned anything yet about the huge differences between these cities and their individual histories?) is strangely focused on the cities, but you lash out at anyone representing those cities in any way. If you really examined your situation, you might be able to see how silly it looks.
My man, they include 7 counties when talking about Pittsburgh "metro area". They do that just to booster the population numbers. Apparently, you've NEVER been to Pittsburgh! Why don't you look at those links to pics that I posted a page or two back! Please show me where the "sprawl" is in those "Pittsburgh CITY neighborhoods" are, please do!
You really can't understand the difference between "suburbs" and "city"!... I understand though, you're from the "sunbelt SPRAWL"!...
Resent them?.... lol lol I don't think about them enough to resent them. Nor would I be jealous of ANYONE who resides in one! Too hot, too many chain restaurants, too many strip malls for my taste!....
Dude, YOU bring up the suburbs with your SPRAWL comments. Do you really think that all of this imaginary sprawl exists in these cities? Sprawl is a suburban phenomenon...so if you don't want to discuss suburbs, stop over using the word in attempts to diminish other cities. It can be used to diminish your city just as easily.
Actually, I live in NYC now. My man, by all means, please tell me the SPRAWL that exists here, please try it!......
Not necessarily. Suburbs are the biggest culprits, by far. But cities can be very sprawled as well. Houston, for example, is a major example of this.
You do have to remeber that places like Houston and San Antonio annexed their suburbs, though. Houston proper has half the population of its metro and San Antonio 70% of its metro. If these cities only had 25% of the metro population closest to the CBD like Pittsburgh and Boston do, then the density would be very close to the Northern cities.
You do have to remeber that places like Houston and San Antonio annexed their suburbs, though. Houston proper has half the population of its metro and San Antonio 70% of its metro. If these cities only had 25% of the metro population closest to the CBD like Pittsburgh and Boston do, then the density would be very close to the Northern cities.
Please tell me where the majority or the housing stock looks this compact in the "sunbelt sprawl".
Here's a really good amount of pics that were taken all around the city of Pittsburgh. It shows off a bunch of different nabes across the city. You will see the BIG difference between Pittsburgh and the dreaded SUNBELT SPRAWL! Be patient though, there's a lot of pics!
Nice pics. Sunbelt cities do have density, just not in the form of townhomes and rowhouses like the pics you show. A lot of the density comes in the form of high-rise condos and homes like in the various pictures shown. Does Pittsburgh have that compact of housing five miles outside of downtown? Something tells me it doesn't.
P.S. Look at ()_T's last post in the "3 California cities vs. 3 Texas cities" thread.
Nice pics. Sunbelt cities do have density, just not in the form of townhomes and rowhouses like the pics you show. A lot of the density comes in the form of high-rise condos and homes like in the various pictures shown. Does Pittsburgh have that compact of housing five miles outside of downtown? Something tells me it doesn't.
Absolutely it does. As long as the fives miles in still in the city or headed east of downtown. Some of the suburbs around Pittsburgh are very dense also. Especially the boroughs.
You bring up "highrises". That's a good point. Let's say that you have a nabe that is 3 Sq miles big. Now you have a few highrises in that nabe that are heavily populated. The rest of that nabe can be sparsley populated with big homes and big lots, but the "highrises" will artificially make the DENSITY numbers higher than they really are. Another words, the nabes density won't really reflect it's high density numbers. You see how the density is pretty evenly spread around in Pittsburgh.
This is why when I say that the sunbelt won't ever be as dense. For that VERY reason. Sure they can improve their DENSITY numbers with highrises. But the nabes will NEVER reflect them the way they do in cities like Pittsburgh. You can see how DENSE Pittsburgh would be 'if' it didn't lose more than half of it's population. They don't build nabes like the ones you see in those Pittsburgh pics anymore, they just don't, those days are long gone. Whole nabes filled with rowhouses will NEVER be built again.
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...I agree with you 100%!...
Thanks for making my point!....
I understand though, you're from the "sunbelt SPRAWL"!...
lol lol I don't think about them enough to resent them. Nor would I be jealous of ANYONE who resides in one! Too hot, too many chain restaurants, too many strip malls for my taste!....
