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Okay, so there isnt data for Micro Areas, so here is a compilation of our Largest CSAs and the Miami MSA for 2008 released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis of the US Commerce Department 9-24-09.
Combined Statistical Areas by Total Gross Product, 2008
1. New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1.434 Trillion
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $81,389
Kingston, NY Metro Area $4,679
New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $37,643
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,264,896
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area $21,029
Torrington, CT Micro Area
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $24,458
2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA $866.095 Billion
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA Metro Area $717,884
Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metro Area $35,080
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metro Area $113,080
3. Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA $533.542 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $133,012
Lexington Park, MD Micro Area
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $395,747
Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $4,783
4. Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA $526.895 Billion
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI Metro Area $520,672
Kankakee-Bradley, IL Metro Area $3,094
Michigan City-La Porte, IN Metro Area $3,336
5. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $508.418 Billion
Napa, CA Metro Area $7,434
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area $310,825
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area $146,687
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA Metro Area $9,903
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA Metro Area $20,229
Vallejo-Fairfield, CA Metro Area $13,340
It's weird because from this point of view, everyone is arguing for #1 or #2, but the real fight is to determine who is #3,#4, and #5. However, since the economy isn't the only metric this comparison is looking at, then other factors need to be considered. I like this one and population figures since its the ones that could be the most quantified, and it could definitely be ranked on a numerical scale. How do you rank culture? How do you rank influence, since influence could also include quantifiable things like money and population, and non-quantifiable things such as culture, technology, and having power over others (IE Washington DC)?
Everything else afterward is way too subjective for me, but that's the beauty of having forums like these
It's weird because from this point of view, everyone is arguing for #1 or #2, but the real fight is to determine who is #3,#4, and #5. However, since the economy isn't the only metric this comparison is looking at, then other factors need to be considered. I like this one and population figures since its the ones that could be the most quantified, and it could definitely be ranked on a numerical scale. How do you rank culture? How do you rank influence, since influence could also include quantifiable things like money and population, and non-quantifiable things such as culture, technology, and having power over others (IE Washington DC)?
Everything else afterward is way too subjective for me, but that's the beauty of having forums like these
For those trying to sneak in an Atlanta, Boston, Houston, Dallas, or Philadelphia into the top 5, you are mistaken, because if you look at the data, there is a huge gap between #5 and #6, almost $100 Billion. To help wrap your head around this, it is the equivalent of a million people producing an output of of $100,000 each or 2 million people producing $50,000 each. It's huge, so to think any of the above-mentioned cities can leapfrog into the top 5 is misguided.
Top 5 is pretty much set in stone - IMO.
1. New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1.434 Trillion
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $81,389
Kingston, NY Metro Area $4,679
New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $37,643
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,264,896
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area $21,029
Torrington, CT Micro Area
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $24,458
2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA $866.095 Billion
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA Metro Area $717,884
Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metro Area $35,080
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metro Area $113,080
3. Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA $533.542 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $133,012
Lexington Park, MD Micro Area
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $395,747
Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $4,783
4. Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA $526.895 Billion
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI Metro Area $520,672
Kankakee-Bradley, IL Metro Area $3,094
Michigan City-La Porte, IN Metro Area $3,336
5. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $508.418 Billion
Napa, CA Metro Area $7,434
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area $310,825
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area $146,687
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA Metro Area $9,903
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA Metro Area $20,229
Vallejo-Fairfield, CA Metro Area $13,340
6. Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA $413.930 Billion
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area $299,590
Concord, NH Micro Area
Manchester-Nashua, NH Metro Area $20,782
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA Metro Area $65,152
Worcester, MA Metro Area $28,406
7. Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX CSA $403.202 Billion
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX Metro Area $403,202
8. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA $383.082 Billion
Athens, TX Micro Area
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area $379,863
Sherman-Denison, TX Metro Area $3,219
9. Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $351.680 Billion
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area $331,897
Reading, PA Metro Area $14,838
Vineland-Millville-Bridgeton, NJ Metro Area $4,945
10. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL $276.197 Billion
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA Metro Area $269,799
Gainesville, GA Metro Area $6,398
For those trying to sneak in an Atlanta, Boston, Houston, Dallas, or Philadelphia into the top 5, you are mistaken, because if you look at the data, there is a huge gap between #5 and #6, almost $100 Billion. To help wrap your head around this, it is the equivalent of a million people producing an output of of $100,000 each or 2 million people producing $50,000 each. It's huge, so to think any of the above-mentioned cities can leapfrog into the top 5 is misguided.
Top 5 is pretty much set in stone - IMO.
1. New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA $1.434 Trillion
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT Metro Area $81,389
Kingston, NY Metro Area $4,679
New Haven-Milford, CT Metro Area $37,643
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metro Area $1,264,896
Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY Metro Area $21,029
Torrington, CT Micro Area
Trenton-Ewing, NJ Metro Area $24,458
2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA $866.095 Billion
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA Metro Area $717,884
Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metro Area $35,080
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA Metro Area $113,080
3. Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA $533.542 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $133,012
Lexington Park, MD Micro Area
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $395,747
Winchester, VA-WV Metro Area $4,783
4. Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA $526.895 Billion
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI Metro Area $520,672
Kankakee-Bradley, IL Metro Area $3,094
Michigan City-La Porte, IN Metro Area $3,336
5. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $508.418 Billion
Napa, CA Metro Area $7,434
San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area $310,825
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area $146,687
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA Metro Area $9,903
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA Metro Area $20,229
Vallejo-Fairfield, CA Metro Area $13,340
6. Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA $413.930 Billion
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH Metro Area $299,590
Concord, NH Micro Area
Manchester-Nashua, NH Metro Area $20,782
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA Metro Area $65,152
Worcester, MA Metro Area $28,406
7. Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX CSA $403.202 Billion
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX Metro Area $403,202
8. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA $383.082 Billion
Athens, TX Micro Area
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX Metro Area $379,863
Sherman-Denison, TX Metro Area $3,219
9. Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $351.680 Billion
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area $331,897
Reading, PA Metro Area $14,838
Vineland-Millville-Bridgeton, NJ Metro Area $4,945
10. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL $276.197 Billion
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA Metro Area $269,799
Gainesville, GA Metro Area $6,398
GDP is important, but Houston and Boston are both easily top 5 material; Oil, Ports, Education, Technology and more. Don't act like places like SF and CHI are insanely more important than Houston or Boston because they're not.
For those trying to sneak in an Atlanta, Boston, Houston, Dallas, or Philadelphia into the top 5, you are mistaken, because if you look at the data, there is a huge gap between #5 and #6, almost $100 Billion. To help wrap your head around this, it is the equivalent of a million people producing an output of of $100,000 each or 2 million people producing $50,000 each. It's huge, so to think any of the above-mentioned cities can leapfrog into the top 5 is misguided.
Top 5 is pretty much set in stone - IMO.
This simplistic argument is trifling and flawed. Wash-Bal are two combined metroes. Boston-Providence are 2 seperate metroes. Sf-SJ are 2 combined metropolitan statistical areas. Sorry guys as much as it pains you Philly is still top 5 when its all said and done.If you are combining seperate metroes elsewhere at least give Philly its micro areas(Allentown,Trenton,Atlantic City,Dover) that evens the playing field somewhat.
The stats you are presenting for these supersized cmsa's cover areas up to 15,000 sq miles. Philadelphia msa is only 4000 sq miles.
Thats not really fair now. Is it?
If anything use MSA data as your guide.Continuous population density of 2500 people per sq mile.
Lets try and keep it fair gang. Fredericksburg Va and Havre de Grace Md are about 150 miles apart yet according to your rationale are part of the same cohesive metro. If Philadlephia were given similar leeway it would be the 3rd biggest metro in the country behind NYC + LA.
Richest cities and urban areas in 2005
Rank City/Urban area Country GDP in US$bn
1 Tokyo Japan 1191
2 New York USA 1133
3 Los Angeles USA 639
4 Chicago USA 460
5 Paris France 460
6 London UK 452
7 Osaka/Kobe Japan 341
8 Mexico City Mexico 315 9 Philadelphia USA 312 10 Washington DC USA 299 11 Boston USA 290
12 Dallas/Fort Worth USA 268
13 Buenos Aires Argentina 245
14 Hong Kong China 244 15 San Francisco/Oakland USA 242
16 Atlanta USA 236
17 Houston USA 235
18 Miami USA 231
19 Sao Paulo Brazil 225
20 Seoul South Korea 218
This simplistic argument is trifling and flawed. Wash-Bal are two combined metroes. Boston-Providence are 2 seperate metroes. Sf-SJ are 2 combined metropolitan statistical areas. Sorry guys as much as it pains you Philly is still top 5 when its all said and done.If you are combining seperate metroes elsewhere at least give Philly its micro areas(Allentown,Trenton,Atlantic City,Dover) that evens the playing field somewhat.
The stats you are presenting for these supersized cmsa's cover areas up to 15,000 sq miles. Philadelphia msa is only 4000 sq miles.
Thats not really fair now. Is it?
If anything use MSA data as your guide.Continuous population density of 2500 people per sq mile.
Lets try and keep it fair gang. Fredericksburg Va and Havre de Grace Md are about 150 miles apart yet according to your rationale are part of the same cohesive metro. If Philadlephia were given similar leeway it would be the 3rd biggest metro in the country behind NYC + LA.
Richest cities and urban areas in 2005
Rank City/Urban area Country GDP in US$bn
1 Tokyo Japan 1191
2 New York USA 1133
3 Los Angeles USA 639
4 Chicago USA 460
5 Paris France 460
6 London UK 452
7 Osaka/Kobe Japan 341
8 Mexico City Mexico 315
9 Philadelphia USA 312
10 Washington DC USA 299
11 Boston USA 290
12 Dallas/Fort Worth USA 268
13 Buenos Aires Argentina 245
14 Hong Kong China 244
15 San Francisco/Oakland USA 242
16 Atlanta USA 236
17 Houston USA 235
18 Miami USA 231
19 Sao Paulo Brazil 225
20 Seoul South Korea 218
The only thing you keep saying is Philly is important, but yet you haven't proved your case. Why is Philly important??? numbers only mean so much.
GDP is important, but Houston and Boston are both easily top 5 material; Oil, Ports, Education, Technology and more. Don't act like places like SF and CHI are insanely more important than Houston or Boston because they're not.
So what metric are we using then if GDP isn't valid enough? Numbers rarely lie since these statistics were put together by the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA), and they have very little reason to favor one area over another.
Houston and Boston could be top 5 material, and I honestly hope they become so because the US needs to be a bit more polycentric. However, at this point, the objective indicators don't indicate it to be so (population + GMP + per capita income). You're also assuming that SF and CHI aren't top 5 material by saying Boston and Houston are.
Unless you SOMEHOW think that Silicon Valley, Berkeley/Stanford, having a large population, and being a large shipping center isn't important, then I don't know what to say.
2 Port of Houston, Texas 202,047,327
It's a major port center because of its strategic location on the Gulf Coast and as a major oil refinery center, but if you notice how the rankings are laid out, most of the top ports are along the Gulf Coast. Houston's ranking as a port isn't as hegemonic as you would like to think it is, as much as SF is to technology, or Boston is to education.
When making claims, substantiate them!
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