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Old 12-30-2013, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Nob Hill, San Francisco, CA
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Tech companies slamming into a brick wall would harm SF just as much as the rest of the country, except the rest of the country has less invested in the tech industry by comparison to the Bay Area.

I fail to see how an event that would require San Francisco's economy to take a beating means that San Francisco can "can stop this country in its tracks."
NOLA is a small city in LA and when it was hit by Katrina it inflated our gas prices in the US. Cities like NYC, LA, San Francisco, DC, Chic, HOU, DAL, ATL have the power to bring whole sectors of the US economy to a halt.

You cant buy power like that.

If SV starts eroding then say goodbye to Googles office in Chic, etc. Say hello to cautious VC lending, etc.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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The thing too is that you can't look at any industry at its peak or trough. You need to look through a more nuanced lens.

The Bay Area (especially San Jose area) had the worst job losses in the country and extremely high unemployment at the peak of the recession. Now, five years later, there is absolute exuberance, with company valuations skyrocketing to unbelievable peaks.

Things are never as good as you think in a peak, and never as bad as you think in a trough. There will always be a cyclical element.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Just think about the social, economic, and political upheaval not being able to check-in or update your Facebook status would bring! Can you imagine a world where you couldn't tweet?!?!
Tongue-in-Cheek aside, China blocks Facebook, Google, Youtube, Twitter and Yahoo because they fear the incomparable free flow of information these sites can deliver to their people from all over the world.

That indicates huge power in my book.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Nob Hill, San Francisco, CA
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Tongue-in-Cheek aside, China blocks Facebook, Google, Youtube, Twitter because they fear the incomparable free flow of information these sites can deliver to their people.

That indicatea huge power in my book.
Pakistan issued the death sentence for Mark Z when he goes there. Social media has changed a lot of the world IMO
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:56 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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NOLA is a small city in LA and when it was hit by Katrina it inflated our gas prices in the US. Cities like NYC, LA, San Francisco, DC, Chic, HOU, DAL, ATL have the power to bring whole sectors of the US economy to a halt.

You cant buy power like that.

If SV starts eroding then say goodbye to Googles office in Chic, etc. Say hello to cautious VC lending, etc.
Except that SF wouldn't try to destroy their own industry, and, if they did, said industry would relocate elsewhere. Suffering from a natural disaster that harms a city's industry is hardly a sign of power that said city has over all other cities.

That is why your statement was misleading. Falling on your sword to spite everyone else is hardly as powerful as you make it out to be, especially since it would cripple SF's economy in the process.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Nob Hill, San Francisco, CA
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Except that SF wouldn't try to destroy their own industry, and, if they did, said industry would relocate elsewhere. Suffering from a natural disaster that harms a city's industry is hardly a sign of power that said city has over all other cities.

That is why your statement was misleading. Falling on your sword to spite everyone else is hardly as powerful as you make it out to be, especially since it would cripple SF's economy in the process.
San Francisco is too innovative to consider destroying its own industry but a flailing SV has implications around the US
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:39 PM
 
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Montclair, I'm in the Bay Area right now and I found a flaw with it.

It's small.
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:43 PM
 
Location: So California
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Montclair, I'm in the Bay Area right now and I found a flaw with it.

It's small.

How's that a flaw?
Its all subjective/relative.....
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:55 PM
 
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How's that a flaw?
Its all subjective/relative.....
Yes, it's relative. What's small to one person is giant to another.

For me, bigger generally is better than the smaller counterpart (Madrid over Barcelona, Seoul over Busan, Tokyo over Nagoya, Shanghai over Dalian, Milan over Florence, London over Manchester, Sao Paulo over Rio de Janiero, Mumbai over Calcutta), so on.

I just like the hyper-intensity, hyper-density, hyper-complicated atmosphere. I live in a small-town now, Washington and the DMV area, trying to get away from the small as it is. Once you see the 12 - 13 square miles that make it a lure, it becomes memorized, and eventually repetitive. Limited. Small. Still great but in a tiny package.

Bay Area does feel larger and more compact than Greater Boston or Greater DMV. Probably fourth largest metropolis in the country after Chicagoland.
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Old 12-30-2013, 05:01 PM
 
Location: So California
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Yes, it's relative. What's small to one person is giant to another.

For me, bigger generally is better than the smaller counterpart (Madrid over Barcelona, Seoul over Busan, Tokyo over Nagoya, Shanghai over Dalian, Milan over Florence, London over Manchester, Sao Paulo over Rio de Janiero, Mumbai over Calcutta), so on.

I just like the hyper-intensity, hyper-density, hyper-complicated atmosphere. I live in a small-town now, Washington and the DMV area, trying to get away from the small as it is. Once you see the 12 - 13 square miles that make it a lure, it becomes memorized, and eventually repetitive. Limited. Small. Still great but in a tiny package.

Bay Area does feel larger and more compact than Greater Boston or Greater DMV. Probably fourth largest metropolis in the country after Chicagoland.
The Bay Area is pretty cut up too with the bay and mountains, its not one big mass and never will be. Whats your goal then NYC or LA, or will you go overseas to live in a mammoth city? Tokyo would be fun for a year or two....
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