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Historically, as in 150+ years ago when many of the western states were still territories. The country has evolved considerably since then and use of "Southern" in this case is seemingly wielded these days by those who look down their noses at DC and Baltimore as lesser for whatever reason. Which is rather comical given the provincial nature of cities like Philadelphia and Boston.
The country has evolved considerably in the 159 years since the Civil War -- and slavery? Of course. "Southern" is not a term I "wield", but mentioned as a matter of historical context, as I was merely addressing another poster who wondered why certain areas are still referred to as being in the South. For me, it's merely a matter of context, not 'looking down [my] nose' at certain regions or cities, and certainly not against Baltimore and DC, the latter of which I lived in . . . and love (and still consider my 2nd home).
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I see a lot of discussion about mileage and stations, but what about ridership?
As of 3rd Qtr 2023, these were the avg weekday ridership numbers of those aforementioned heavy rail systems:
New York City Subway (MTA)- 6,262,300
Washington Metro (WMATA)- 475,000
Chicago (CTA)- 388,600
Boston (MBTA)- 283,900
PATH NJ- 183,300
SEPTA N/A
SF BART- 158,400
Atlanta (MARTA)- 98,700
(Metro) Los Angeles- 73,700
Miami Metrorail- 45,400
Baltimore N/A
Cleveland- 9,700
Honolulu- 3,700
Actually BART, WMATA, and MARTA all have the similar designs for their trainsets.
Um, the cities that have identical railcar designs are Atlanta, Baltimore and Miami. Budd (later Transit America) built the cars for all three.
Washington's railcars have a fish-belly cross-section that distinguishes them from every other subway car fleet in the country. The initial order was built by Rohr Industries; subsequent orders have been built by Breda, Alstom, Kawasaki and <mumble>.
BART's original fleet, the oldest of this group — BART (opened 1971) being the first totally new rapid transit system in the country to open since Cleveland's Red Line — had a radically different design from anything before or since, with sloped ends on the front and rear cars of each train (where the operator's cab was located). BART's track gauge (5' 6") was also unique. I believe that the more recent car order is a little more conventional-looking.
Um, the cities that have identical railcar designs are Atlanta, Baltimore and Miami. Budd (later Transit America) built the cars for all three.
Washington's railcars have a fish-belly cross-section that distinguishes them from every other subway car fleet in the country. The initial order was built by Rohr Industries; subsequent orders have been built by Breda, Alstom, Kawasaki and <mumble>.
BART's original fleet, the oldest of this group — BART (opened 1971) being the first totally new rapid transit system in the country to open since Cleveland's Red Line — had a radically different design from anything before or since, with sloped ends on the front and rear cars of each train (where the operator's cab was located). BART's track gauge (5' 6") was also unique. I believe that the more recent car order is a little more conventional-looking.
Yes, BART is stuck with its non-standard gauge, of course, but the new cars (the old fleet is now 100% retired)
all have flat fronts. The most important distinction for passengers is that there are three sets of doors
on each side, rather than the two sets that the old cars had.
What is a fish-belly cross section? I haven't heard that expression before.
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Washington's railcars have a fish-belly cross-section that distinguishes them from every other subway car fleet in the country. The initial order was built by Rohr Industries; subsequent orders have been built by Breda, Alstom, Kawasaki and <mumble>.
Hitachi is the latest manufacturer for the upcoming 8000 series trains. They should begin production in 2025, if not by late this year.
What is a fish-belly cross section? I haven't heard that expression before.
The center "belly" of the DC Metro trains have a wider look as the train then slants inward starting at the center towards the top, and originally were designed with a signature hexagonal shape at the front of the trains. So even with their various rolling stock by different manufacturers, they keep that signature look in shape/design even with the more modern trains.
Yes, BART is stuck with its non-standard gauge, of course, but the new cars (the old fleet is now 100% retired)
all have flat fronts. The most important distinction for passengers is that there are three sets of doors
on each side, rather than the two sets that the old cars had.
What is a fish-belly cross section? I haven't heard that expression before.
That sounds like 1-2 years of utter disaster, my wild guess. It would presumably require new footings as well as rails, followed by testing. I imagine they'd need to shut down each segment for quite a while. There would be lengthy periods where you'd ride the train to the closed segment, take a bus, and then ride another train. They'd organize the closures around existing crossover tracks. The bay crossing would be particularly challenging, with presumably several months of work minimum, and buses stuck on the bridges.
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