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Old 01-01-2012, 02:16 PM
 
Location: where u wish u lived
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As someone who grew up in a not so good (or bad for that matter) area of LA, we are used to gang violence especially back in the 90's, the exterior look of a ghetto didn't mean anything to us unless gang graffiti was present, something only LA and Chicago people know about, remember visiting Dorchester back in 98, and felt waaay safer than almost any part in LA at that time.
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Old 01-01-2012, 02:19 PM
 
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^^^south central LA
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Old 01-01-2012, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Twilight zone
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I know this post is old, but no one from Chicago said this... If you include PG county wit DC, then Chicago would have to include Gary, Harvey, and Maywood...
I think i said something similar in this thread, but i dont really feel like looking all the way back.. I agree, if you add pg county ot DC that would be like adding Maywood Robbins, Gary, East Chicago, Harvey, Cicero, the list goes on....
Even parts of Aurora were dangerous all the way into the mid-2000's before the feds indicted all those Kings and Duces.

mas23
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Old 01-01-2012, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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All of the above, but especially housing. He had never seen the raggedy, bombed out type areas with open air drug markets and crews numbering almost in the 100s on the corners. He also said that the danger of getting robbed/ jacked was more immediate and in your face because u were walking in these tight, dense areas.

My brother and 2 other friends from Bmore told me that Compton, Crenshaw, and all that, still have individuals homes and lawns. They said it just doesn't look like the hood. At least not by East coast or midwestern standards. Of course this is all 2nd hand info. I've been all over the West, but surprisingly never LA. But, I'll be there for first time in Feb. Staying in Santa Monica though, lol.

Of course this doesn't mean that it's not or wasn't dangerous.
The LA gang thing is of course well known. Thank God that LA is by all accounts safer today,
Judging the safety of a place by aesthetics is not a smart thing to do. If you take a look at those neighborhoods more closely (anything near the blue line through Florence-Graham, Firestone) you will see how run down the places are. At one time they were nice little cottages, but the (already tiny) lots have been subdivided and built on to the extent that these aesthetically 'suburban' neighborhoods have a density of 16k ppsm.

These neighborhoods are not as much of a war-zone as they were in the 90's, but they are still not a place I would visit at night or alone.

I'm definitely not saying you are wrong, your friend's experiences are likely correct and the East Coast neighborhoods they were in were in fact more dangerous and menacing. Just saying that looks can be deceiving.
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Old 01-02-2012, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Did some digging online and came up with these stats. I have long stated that Oakland was a bit more dangerous when I was a kid in the late 80s-early 90s than it is now and this homicide stat pretty much confirms that.

OAKLAND HOMICIDES
2011: 110
2010: 95
2009: 110
2008: 125
2007: 127
2006: 148
2005: 94
2004: 88
2003: 114
2002: 113
2001: 87
2000: 85
1999: 68
1998: 81
1997: 111
1996: 103
1995: 153
1994: 151
1993: 157
1992: 175 All Time High
1991: 165
1990: 161
1989: 148
1988: 112
1987: 114
1986: 129
1985: 95
1984: 115

Now that's not to downplay what's happening now, I dont think that's possible given the extreme scrutiny given to everthing that happens in Oakland by local media, but we need to look at this from a historical context.

I wish I could find data for the 70s-early 80s.
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Old 01-02-2012, 09:39 AM
 
Location: the future
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Since this thread is still alive this is a cool graph showing the metro trends in homicide rate from mid 80's to late 2000's. (minus New Orleans).

http://blog.metrotrends.org/wp-conte...-homicide1.jpg
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Old 01-02-2012, 09:43 AM
 
Location: the future
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I think i said something similar in this thread, but i dont really feel like looking all the way back.. I agree, if you add pg county ot DC that would be like adding Maywood Robbins, Gary, East Chicago, Harvey, Cicero, the list goes on....
Even parts of Aurora were dangerous all the way into the mid-2000's before the feds indicted all those Kings and Duces.

mas23
This is Sherrif Road. One side is DC one is MD, without signs you wouldnt know which is which. However, PG stats are never included with DC stats. Pg police cant pull you over in DC and DC police cant pull you over in PG unless you commit a crime in one and cross the border
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Old 01-02-2012, 09:44 AM
 
Location: MN
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Never heard of crime in Minny to be honest.
This is the article:
Nice City's Nasty Distinction - Murders Soar in Minneapolis - NYTimes.com

Historic Murder counts for MPLS:
  • 1990 - 56
  • 1991 - 63
  • 1992 - 62
  • 1993 - 58
  • 1994 - 62
  • 1995 - 99
  • 1996 - 86
  • 1997 - 58
  • 1998 - 58
  • 1999 - 48
  • 2000 - 50
  • 2001 - 43
  • 2002 - 47
  • 2003 - 46
  • 2004 - 53
  • 2005 - 47
  • 2006 - 60
  • 2007 - 47
  • 2008 - 39
  • 2009 - 19
  • 2010 - 40
  • 2011 - ? 21 I last knew
#10 according to this list: The 11 Most Dangerous Cities - US News and World Report
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:23 AM
 
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Washington
1988 369
1989 434
1990 472
1991 482
1992 443
1993 454
1994 399
1995 360
1996 397
1997 301
1998 260
1999 241
2000 239
2001 231
2002 264
2003 249
2004 198
2005 195
2006 169
2007 181
2008 186
2009 145
2010 132
2011 109
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Old 01-11-2012, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Northeast states
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Bridgeport,CT had 308 Homicides in total from 1990-1995 with Population around 130,000. Even the cops dont want go there part of Father Panic Village called the Whole cause it was so dangerous. Bridgeport was 10th most dangerous city in 90s and Father Panic Village 4th dangerous project one east coast and on Top 10 in America. Throughout the 90's Bridgeport had 55-75+ Homicides each year.
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