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Originally Posted by michigan83
After spending time in the South, one of the biggest things I miss is the farm scenery that I'm used to up north. Big red barns, white farmhouses, corn, wheat, soybeans, flat to rolling terrain with some openness to it. I'm sure this makes me abnormal, but oh well. I realize there is farming in the South but it doesn't look quite the same. I do enjoy the dense forests of the South, though, for a change of scenery (though I can also get forest scenery in the northern part of my state). I just find myself missing the Midwestern farm country after a week or so.
I'm sure a lot of urban dwellers from the Midwest don't have the same emotional attachment that I do. In fact, I'm positive that the majority does not view it the way I do.
I have to say that we certainly have that down south. Especially around here, we have lots of plantations, and cane fields. It's common to stop on side of the road and get a piece of cane to chew for a long ride. Where in the south did you live?
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Originally Posted by Chadro77
Informed me about weather in the South? I lived there ten years and the seasons are poorly represented, sorry. I've lived in places with truly seasonal weather and the South isn't it. Snow in four states does not portray an entire region.
They may not be to you the same way Southern winters are not very wintry to me.
This is a region vs. region discussion and weather is important to a lot of people therefore it is valid. The argument was who represents the four seasons better, the South or Midwest. I've lived in both and say the Midwest.
The weather is a more valid discussion and affects more people than the origins of Jazz and Blues but, that didn't stop people from talking about it for flippin 6 pages.
..and four states with a weak summer doesn't portray an entire region. Your argument is terrible.
I have to say that we certainly have that down south. Especially around here, we have lots of plantations, and cane fields. It's common to stop on side of the road and get a piece of cane to chew for a long ride. Where in the south did you live?
..and four states with a weak summer doesn't portray an entire region. Your argument is terrible.
Midwest. I've only been down south a handful of times, mostly in the Houston, and the Little Rock area to visit my ex., and I haven't really had many pleasant experiences. For one, the crime rate seems to be higher (maybe it isn't, but that was my perception), the urban landscape seems much more plighted by surface parking lots, everyone has a "live in the suburbs, drive to work" mentality, racial segregation seems to be a bigger issue, the weather is uncomfortably hot most of the year, and there is no snow in the winter (no snow is a deal breaker for me). I can't deny that the extra space was relieving from all the congestion of the city, but it got tired really quickly when I realized I had to drive my car EVERYWHERE, including just to grab a coffee. In comparison, I normally go for periods of a month or longer without ever seeing my car.
Edit: To be entirely fair, some of my comparison does include urban vs. suburban, but I view that to be a valid differentiator. The midwest, to me, is more urban and walking friendly than the south. I'm sure a large part of that has to do with people's mentality, but I can't discredit the role weather plays. Most people (especially dressed up professionals) would be more willing to get on a cold bus than a hot one, where they'll sweat most of the journey. This is besides the fact that it is much more expensive to cool public spaces than it is to heat them; thus, most (all?) mass transit in the midwest is heated, while a lot of (most?) mass transit in the south is not cooled.
Midwest. I've only been down south a handful of times, mostly in the Houston, and the Little Rock area to visit my ex., and I haven't really had many pleasant experiences. For one, the crime rate seems to be higher (maybe it isn't, but that was my perception), the urban landscape seems much more plighted by surface parking lots, everyone has a "live in the suburbs, drive to work" mentality, racial segregation seems to be a bigger issue, the weather is uncomfortably hot most of the year, and there is no snow in the winter (no snow is a deal breaker for me). I can't deny that the extra space was relieving from all the congestion of the city, but it got tired really quickly when I realized I had to drive my car EVERYWHERE, including just to grab a coffee. In comparison, I normally go for periods of a month or longer without ever seeing my car.
Where on earth did you experience crime in Little Rock or Houston? There is snow in the south. It snows in Little Rock I think. You don't have to drive your car everywhere, unless you live in an area like that. The same can be had for 90% of midwestern cities.
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Edit: To be entirely fair, some of my comparison does include urban vs. suburban, but I view that to be a valid differentiator. The midwest, to me, is more urban and walking friendly than the south. I'm sure a large part of that has to do with people's mentality, but I can't discredit the role weather plays. Most people (especially dressed up professionals) would be more willing to get on a cold bus than a hot one, where they'll sweat most of the journey. This is besides the fact that it is much more expensive to cool public spaces than it is to heat them; thus, most (all?) mass transit in the midwest is heated, while a lot of (most?) mass transit in the south is not cooled.
I've seen plenty professionals in Houston getting on buses, I've seen nurses, doctors, and men in suits getting on the buses frequently. The same thing for New Orleans, and it's just as humid. I don't see why on earth you think PT isn't cooled in the south...? All of the mass transit in the south is cooled. The only thing I know of that is not cooled is the St. Charles Streetcar, because it would be a Federal offense to alter the car itself.
Midwest. I've only been down south a handful of times, mostly in the Houston, and the Little Rock area to visit my ex., and I haven't really had many pleasant experiences. For one, the crime rate seems to be higher (maybe it isn't, but that was my perception), the urban landscape seems much more plighted by surface parking lots, everyone has a "live in the suburbs, drive to work" mentality, racial segregation seems to be a bigger issue, the weather is uncomfortably hot most of the year, and there is no snow in the winter (no snow is a deal breaker for me). I can't deny that the extra space was relieving from all the congestion of the city, but it got tired really quickly when I realized I had to drive my car EVERYWHERE, including just to grab a coffee. In comparison, I normally go for periods of a month or longer without ever seeing my car.
Edit: To be entirely fair, some of my comparison does include urban vs. suburban, but I view that to be a valid differentiator. The midwest, to me, is more urban and walking friendly than the south. I'm sure a large part of that has to do with people's mentality, but I can't discredit the role weather plays. Most people (especially dressed up professionals) would be more willing to get on a cold bus than a hot one, where they'll sweat most of the journey. This is besides the fact that it is much more expensive to cool public spaces than it is to heat them; thus, most (all?) mass transit in the midwest is heated, while a lot of (most?) mass transit in the south is not cooled.
I hate to burst your bubble but we live in a car culture world now. Even in NY there is lots and lots of people driving why I don't know. All the Midwest cities have the drive to the suburbs mentality too which is shown that more people live in the suburbs vs city. There are 9 million people in the Chicago metro yet only 600,000 people take the train there. DC is smaller than Chicago and there rail ridership is so much higher. So what are majority of the 9 million people in Chicago metro doing? DRIVING!!! public transit no matter what city your in or how good the transit may be it is still looses battles to the car.
Just to clear up the public transportation being hot on the buses. In Atlanta the 3 miles of underground train stations usually have big fans that blow so when it gets hot people will be cool. All the trains have cool air and heat so do the buses. where are all these cities you been to that didnt have cool air on public transit. please name them.
In Atlanta take the train from Dunwoody to Downtown and u will see plenty of Professionals taking trains and buses to work and home.
I hate to burst your bubble but we live in a car culture world now. Even in NY there is lots and lots of people driving why I don't know. All the Midwest cities have the drive to the suburbs mentality too which is shown that more people live in the suburbs vs city. There are 9 million people in the Chicago metro yet only 600,000 people take the train there. DC is smaller than Chicago and there rail ridership is so much higher. So what are majority of the 9 million people in Chicago metro doing? DRIVING!!! public transit no matter what city your in or how good the transit may be it is still looses battles to the car.
Just to clear up the public transportation being hot on the buses. In Atlanta the 3 miles of underground train stations usually have big fans that blow so when it gets hot people will be cool. All the trains have cool air and heat so do the buses. where are all these cities you been to that didnt have cool air on public transit. please name them.
In Atlanta take the train from Dunwoody to Downtown and u will see plenty of Professionals taking trains and buses to work and home.
It's a matter of degree. It's somewhat worse in the South overall, probably because the South's expansion was much bigger and larger in the second half of the 20th century.
Midwest. I've only been down south a handful of times, mostly in the Houston, and the Little Rock area to visit my ex., and I haven't really had many pleasant experiences. For one, the crime rate seems to be higher (maybe it isn't, but that was my perception), the urban landscape seems much more plighted by surface parking lots, everyone has a "live in the suburbs, drive to work" mentality, racial segregation seems to be a bigger issue, the weather is uncomfortably hot most of the year, and there is no snow in the winter (no snow is a deal breaker for me). I can't deny that the extra space was relieving from all the congestion of the city, but it got tired really quickly when I realized I had to drive my car EVERYWHERE, including just to grab a coffee. In comparison, I normally go for periods of a month or longer without ever seeing my car.
Edit: To be entirely fair, some of my comparison does include urban vs. suburban, but I view that to be a valid differentiator. The midwest, to me, is more urban and walking friendly than the south. I'm sure a large part of that has to do with people's mentality, but I can't discredit the role weather plays. Most people (especially dressed up professionals) would be more willing to get on a cold bus than a hot one, where they'll sweat most of the journey. This is besides the fact that it is much more expensive to cool public spaces than it is to heat them; thus, most (all?) mass transit in the midwest is heated, while a lot of (most?) mass transit in the south is not cooled.
The crime rate in Little Rock is very high, it's often listed as one of the more dangerous cities in the country. Little Rock isn't that large of a city, right around 200,000 which is a lot smaller than most of the major metros in the midwest, so it's natural that most of the people in the Little Rock area will be suburban dwellers.
I wouldn't take the walkability concept of southern cities away either. Atlanta is very pedestrian friendly, they even have a subway system there, New Orleans, Dallas, and most Floridian cities emphasize these points.
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