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Truth be told, I'm not a big fan of either city. As someone who loves water sports and rock and roll, I think Cleveland has more to offer.
Are you aware that Chuck Berry, the Father of Rock & Roll, is not only from St. Louis and still lives here, but he performs here every month to sold-out crowds at Blueberry Hill?
Are you aware that Chuck Berry, the Father of Rock & Roll, is not only from St. Louis and still lives here, but he performs here every month to sold-out crowds at Blueberry Hill?
Are you aware that Chuck Berry, the Father of Rock & Roll, is not only from St. Louis and still lives here, but he performs here every month to sold-out crowds at Blueberry Hill?
Yes, I used to live in Lake Saint Louis.
Chuck Berry lives in Wentzville (and Nelly and Chiggy both lived for a while in Lake Saint Louis)
1. A Great Lake
2. Cleveland Clinic
3. West Side Market
4. Little Italy
5. Cleveland Orchestra
All of these blow the St. Louis version out of the water. You may think that St. Louis can match these amenities; it cannot.
Yes, but I guess having a Great Lake at your doorstep is a bit of a "stretch" when it comes to natural beauty... Clearly they haven't stood of the bluffs of Edgewater Park and started at the beaches and the Cleveland skyline that rises above the trees.
Cuyahoga Valley is actually a national park. Don't get me wrong, the Arch is nice, but I will take CVNP any day.
Boy....I'm not as sure as you are, and I've lived in both cities (however, it's been SOME TIME since I've been in STL). Architecturally anyways, I don't think STL is more impressive at all, in fact, I think Cleveland has a clearer edge there. JMO, obviously. As far as which is better: that's difficult to say -- they are so even in so many ways. True sister cities!
TIE!
I agree.
I think a lot of people are talking about Cleveland's frame houses, but forget about the impressive brick structures you find east of the city. St. Louis has impressive architecture, but sounds like some of the boosters are not giving Cleveland credit where it is due. But it's not just all about the houses, Cleveland has amazing architecture throughout the city.
Yes, but I guess having a Great Lake at your doorstep is a bit of a "stretch" when it comes to natural beauty... Clearly they haven't stood of the bluffs of Edgewater Park and started at the beaches and the Cleveland skyline that rises above the trees.
Cuyahoga Valley is actually a national park. Don't get me wrong, the Arch is nice, but I will take CVNP any day.
Why are you comparing a park far outside the city limits to a monument downtown? They're very different. And the fact that it's a national park doesn't make it better than the Ozarks. That's a better comparison, but comparing CVNP to the Arch or even Forest Park (which is in the middle of the city) is not a good comparison.
20-30 mins outside of the city you have this, in the suburbs of St. Louis County. You dont need a national park for it to be naturally beautiful
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St. Louis has a nice natural setting as well, so forget the perception you have about St. Louis being some ugly city by a river.
John is not a representation of Cleveland. There are plenty of other posters who don't put down another city to make one look better. We can have a civil conversation without going over-the-top with what we are trying to say.
You're wrong. I am a perfect representative of Cleveland. I was born in Cleveland, raised in areas throughout her metro. I know virtually every brick street, back alley, grassy bluff, rugged canyon, side street, corner deli, coffee shop, councilman and district in the city.
I DO NOT put down other cities to prop up Cleveland - there's no need to do that.
It's ok for other posters to say how much better things are in St. Louis, but let me defend Cleveland in any way - and, I begin to hear people maligning my personal character, referring to me as a 'liar, or being immature. ( BOTH ARE EXAMPLES OF BLATANT MISINFORMATION )I have not 'personally' attacked any of the posters, I have disagreed with - therefore, these personal attacks against me need to STOP IMMEDIATELY! I have already reported this to the MODS, and feel that some of you need to re-familarize yourselves with THE ROOM STICKY!
I think a lot of people are talking about Cleveland's frame houses, but forget about the impressive brick structures you find east of the city. St. Louis has impressive architecture, but sounds like some of the boosters are not giving Cleveland credit where it is due. But it's not just all about the houses, Cleveland has amazing architecture throughout the city.
The bulk of Cleveland's housing stock is frame, and St. Louis' appears to be brick which, in itself, is more solid and impressive... That said, you're right, there impressive brick houses and apartment buildings (even a few row homes here 'n there in older sections) scattered through Cleveland, esp in such areas as Shaker Square, Edgewater (the major mansion, upscale district of the city) and Detroit-Shoreway, and Little Italy (not to mention in older suburbs like Lakewood, Cleveland Heights and Shaker Hts.
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Clearly they haven't stood of the bluffs of Edgewater Park and started at the beaches and the Cleveland skyline that rises above the trees.
