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That's like saying, "If Omaha Nebraska had MORE buildings, and TALLER buildings it would have a better skyline then NYC, therefor, Omaha has a better skyline then NYC, because it's not fair". It IS what it IS, Dallas just so happens to have Fort Worth nearby, THEREFORE it will be bigger then ATL and Houston. Dallas is the MORE well-known city in the metro, that's why people OUTSIDE of Texas call it Dallas metro, even though it's Dallas-Ft.Worth.
what are you taking about
im not taking skylines.
cities are the first large settlements in the region, they grow and create suburbs Dallas and FT Worth are both cities
you can't say Dallas created 6.3 mil because it's in joint effort with FT Worth. if Fort Worth did exist or Atlanta and Houston were in a conurbation with a city like FT Worth they would be larger. The cities of Atlanta and houston grow larger metro populations than what Dallas has done for DFW.
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Take Dekalb County and make it a city
Dekalb county is a suburb in fact the lagest city in county is the 10% of Atlanta that extend in Dekalb.
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But SF is viewed as the PRIMARY city. And there are MILLIONS of people living outside of NYC city-limits, WITHIN the NYC metro. LA also has LONG BEACH, which is it's OWN separate city with a population of 500,000. Is it not the same as Dallas-Ft.Worth?
No SF is not viewed as PRIMARY city. the MILLIONS of people living outside of NYC city-limits, WITHIN the NYC metro are living in NYC suburbs! Fort Worth is not suburb of Dallas. LA is like over 6x larger than LONG BEACH no, it not the same as Dallas FT.Worth
I understand what you're trying to say. Atlanta and Houston are solely responsible for their metro areas, whereas Dallas owes some of the growth of the Metroplex to Ft. Worth. Still, nobody can say that without Ft. Worth things wouldn't have been different.
It doesn't matter when you get down to the details of it. The MSA is the MSA and just that. Nobody can accurately say what portion of the 6.3 million belong to who. Just like some of the 5 million may rarely step foot in Atlanta.
what other city can you point at that created the 5.3 mil in Metro Atlanta there no other city but Atlanta. and FT worth did contribute to DFW so yes the population would be smaller with only one city! and when you get down to it, the MSA is not just Dallas! it's Dallas-FT Worth.
what other city can you point at that created the 5.3 mil in Metro Atlanta there no other city but Atlanta.
I was saying that the MSA is just a census bureau designation, not that Atlanta wasn't the only place to create 5.3 million. What I mean is that although the 5.3 people live in the Atlanta MSA doesn't mean that all 5.3 million depend on Atlanta. (That's irrelevant so don't even try get into it)
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and FT worth did contribute to DFW so yes the population would be smaller with only one city! and when you get down to it, the MSA is not just Dallas! it's Dallas-FT Worth.
Now you're getting into hypotheticals (<- is that a word?). Nobody knows what the size would be without Dallas. Who's to say that whatever business that are now in Ft. Worth wouldn't have started in Dallas instead and made it bigger. Also, who is to say that all the people that migrated to Ft. Worth wouldn't have just made the trek to Dallas.
I mean if you just take the Ft Worth Metro Division out of the equation then yes Dallas will be smaller than Atlanta on paper, but realistically you can't just take away a city and expect everything around it to be in it's current state.
what other city can you point at that created the 5.3 mil in Metro Atlanta there no other city but Atlanta. and FT worth did contribute to DFW so yes the population would be smaller with only one city! and when you get down to it, the MSA is not just Dallas! it's Dallas-FT Worth.
Well your not making sense because your pretty much removing part of DFW metro area. It's equivalent to me saying with Dekalb or Gwinnett County; Atlanta wouldn't have as big of a metro area. Your arguing around a point that has made plenty of times in this thread. Dallas is still PART of a larger metro area than Atlanta. Nothing you've said has changed that statement.
You'd have a point if Fort Worth was like an hour away, but it's literally only about 30 minutes from Dallas.
Well your not making sense because your pretty much removing part of DFW metro area. It's equivalent to me saying with Dekalb or Gwinnett County; Atlanta wouldn't have as big of a metro area. Your arguing around a point that has made plenty of times in this thread. Dallas is still PART of a larger metro area than Atlanta. Nothing you've said has changed that statement.
what are you taking about
im not taking skylines. cities are the first large settlements in the region, they grow and create suburbs Dallas and FT Worth are both cities
you can't say Dallas created 6.3 mil because it's in joint effort with FT Worth. if Fort Worth did exist or Atlanta and Houston were in a conurbation with a city like FT Worth they would be larger. The cities of Atlanta and houston grow larger metro populations than what Dallas has done for DFW.
Dekalb county is a suburb in fact the lagest city in county is the 10% of Atlanta that extend in Dekalb.
No SF is not viewed as PRIMARY city. the MILLIONS of people living outside of NYC city-limits, WITHIN the NYC metro are living in NYC suburbs! Fort Worth is not suburb of Dallas. LA is like over 6x larger than LONG BEACH no, it not the same as Dallas FT.Worth
Don't you think people travel from Ft.Worth to Dallas for work? MOST of Ft.Worths suburbs are Dallas's suburbs ALSO. How do know that some of the people moving to Ft.Worths burbs don't move there to be near Dallas? They SHARE he same burbs.
So what if it's 6 time larger? It's still the same as Dallas-Ft.Worth, Long Beach has it's OWN mayor, and economy. Same scenario.
Fort Worth & Dallas are primary cities in the north central Texas region. I don't have to go to Dallas for nothing. I have all the amenities I need in Fort Worth. People outside the region really don't understand how DFW operate. Dallas has its side and Fort Worth has its side and we share our local news, sports teams and a airport. We don't share a newspaper. Fort Worth has the Startelegram and Dallas has the Dallas Morning News.
I don't understand... Don't they consider St. Paul and Minneapolis to be separate cities? Because this seems like a similar situation. Isn't this the case for DFW? So... In this argument/discussion, wouldn't it be appropriate to leave Fort Worth out of Dallas' defense?
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I don't understand... Don't they consider St. Paul and Minneapolis to be separate cities? Because this seems like a similar situation. Isn't this the case for DFW? So... In this argument/discussion, wouldn't it be appropriate to leave Fort Worth out of Dallas' defense?
A valid comparison, as both metros have two core cities, and the two cities within have a very different character from each other. But the fact is that they are both ONE metropolitan area.
If we're going to get into such a hair-splitting exercise, let's separate the cities of New Orleans (pop 312,000) and Metairie (pop 147,000), Seattle (pop 602,000),Tacoma (pop 197,000), Everett (pop 103,000) and Bellevue (pop 124,000), and San Francisco (pop 809,000) from Oakland (pop 404,000) and San Jose (948,000),
Where exactly does one draw the line?
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