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Old 02-01-2010, 03:03 PM
 
Location: 32°19'03.7"N 106°43'55.9"W
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There was a massacre at a party attended by College and High School students last night in Ciudad Juarez. So far, 16 people were gunned down and 29 wounded at the party. All of the victims were aged 14-19 years old. Just absolutey senseless even for Juarez.

Juarez is over 200 for the year, but not quite sure on the exact figure.
It's an absolute disgrace, is what it is. I follow this news daily.

Most people in this country aren't paying any attention, but they should. And they should be outraged. This town really is a twin sister of El Paso, much the way Windsor Ontario could be considered in Detroit.

Yesterday, I was at a goodwill donation bin, in Las Cruces NM, and someone intercepted me before I could get the clothes to the entrance of the building. The person took everything I had, and said he was from Chihuahua. He told me that his daughter's friend was run over by a getaway vehicle (she was a security guard, evidently) and her head exploded under the wheel, per his description. He was trying to get kids clothes for this woman's three kids. To my knowledge, this wasn't even reported on at all, on either the print or hard copy versions of our local papers. Hell, even the BBC website, which is doing WAY more reporting on this than our domestic papers, didn't have anything on this occurrence. May be because life is held in such low regard here, these crimes are now blase. I don't know.

As citizens of the United States, we tend to take this country and our freedoms for granted. Sometimes, I fall into this trap as well, but when I heard this story yesterday, it constituted a stark reality check. We really don't know how good we have it here.
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Old 02-01-2010, 04:00 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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I wonder if there's a reliable tabulation of how much shootings and other incidents of violence (not resulting in deaths) costs in terms of health care and services and estimations on what we could get in terms of better policing and education for that same amount.
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Old 02-01-2010, 04:10 PM
 
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I wonder if there's a reliable tabulation of how much shootings and other incidents of violence (not resulting in deaths) costs in terms of health care and services and estimations on what we could get in terms of better policing and education for that same amount.
We could start by dealing with drugs as a health problem and not just a criminal one.
When the demand for drugs is so high, and they are all illegal, violence will occur.
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Old 02-01-2010, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Fresno
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It's an absolute disgrace, is what it is. I follow this news daily.

Most people in this country aren't paying any attention, but they should. And they should be outraged. This town really is a twin sister of El Paso, much the way Windsor Ontario could be considered in Detroit.

Yesterday, I was at a goodwill donation bin, in Las Cruces NM, and someone intercepted me before I could get the clothes to the entrance of the building. The person took everything I had, and said he was from Chihuahua. He told me that his daughter's friend was run over by a getaway vehicle (she was a security guard, evidently) and her head exploded under the wheel, per his description. He was trying to get kids clothes for this woman's three kids. To my knowledge, this wasn't even reported on at all, on either the print or hard copy versions of our local papers. Hell, even the BBC website, which is doing WAY more reporting on this than our domestic papers, didn't have anything on this occurrence. May be because life is held in such low regard here, these crimes are now blase. I don't know.

As citizens of the United States, we tend to take this country and our freedoms for granted. Sometimes, I fall into this trap as well, but when I heard this story yesterday, it constituted a stark reality check. We really don't know how good we have it here.
I agree 100%. If the people here in the United States don't seem to or want to think that what is happening over there is their problem, they are very mistaken.

Besides the obvious of the violence of Juarez happening within earshot of El Paso residents, the fact is the U.S. is what is fueling the demand of drugs from Mexico as it is a $250 billion drug market, which the Mexican cartels control roughly 80% or so.

The cycle of violence perpetuates and feeds off itself and the culture of death and homicide is deeply entrenched into Mexican society.

I doubt that the 14 to 19 year olds at that party were "Mexican Cartel members", but were just the latest innocent victims of the carnage.
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Old 02-01-2010, 04:21 PM
 
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Cost comparisons of raising a child from birth to ... [Psychol Rep. 2009] - PubMed result
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Old 02-01-2010, 04:29 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Well, heck, it's only a less than 4 million USD difference between an average non-abused, non-delinquent, and non-homicidal youth compared to a homicidal youth. We should keep on trucking!
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Old 02-01-2010, 05:11 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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As of 02/01, two murders in Austin.
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Old 02-01-2010, 05:22 PM
 
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Chicago homicides as of January 31st:

2008: 34
2009: 25
2010: 20
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Old 02-01-2010, 07:03 PM
 
Location: USA
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Good news! Lets just hope things don't get too crazy in the summer when it warms up
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Old 02-01-2010, 08:51 PM
 
Location: New Mexico to Texas
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4 homicides in Albuquerque so far, yesterday they found a body in a dumpster so that will most likely be #5
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