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You have to look at the number of shootings or knifings instead. Anyone who shoots someone and does not kill them is just as bad as if they kill them since the general reason for shooting is to kill. It just means that the criminal is a bad shot...
If shootings are no lower in number than in past years, should we not be just as concerned about violence? Or should we be happier that better medical technology is saving more shooting or knifing victims?
Anybody have police stats on shootings for their cities?
^ yeah, I remember from back in 2008 when Chicago's murder rate jumped over 10% before falling back down even more than that in 2009, they did a study on the # of shootings.
Just over the summer months from Memorial Day to Labor Day there were roughly 360 shootings in the city, and obviously not all those people died, probably less than half.
If you look, 16 of those shootings happened in the areas of Hyde Park, Bridgeport, the entire northern lakefront of the city, and everything on the north side beyond Fullerton Ave.
That's about half the population of the city in that area and a few others on the southwest side of town that had zero shootings, and those areas are seeing around 4.5% of the shootings in the city. So the other half of the city is having to deal with 95.5% of the shootings. I've been here 9 years now on the north side, and have yet to see a crime scene involving anyone hurt, or personally hear any shootings. Of all my friends, I only have two friends who I know of that were ever victims of crimes. One had his place robbed, the other was hit by a drunk cubs fan on the street a few years ago. Reporting shootings on the south side is so common I don't think it registers with people in the city anymore. On the south side it's just another day of needless violence, and on the north side it's like they're reporting on another world. Get a shooting in Lakeview or Lincoln Square though and it's like the world's ending with people cowering in their homes.
You have to look at the number of shootings or knifings instead. Anyone who shoots someone and does not kill them is just as bad as if they kill them since the general reason for shooting is to kill. It just means that the criminal is a bad shot...
If shootings are no lower in number than in past years, should we not be just as concerned about violence? Or should we be happier that better medical technology is saving more shooting or knifing victims?
Anybody have police stats on shootings for their cities?
This is a good point. If it weren't for the medical advancements we've had in the past few decades, murder rates would be quite a bit higher. Still below the record years that most cities had from the 70's through the mid 90's (there have been more improvements/changes in cities beside better health care of course), but it would be a bit higher than what most cities are currently experiencing.
As far as SF goes, here are some shooting/gun stats from October 20th 2008 to October 20th 2009:
shooting calls: 343
shots fired calls: 1,920
shots fired calls (detected by city gunshot detectors, which are in just 3 neighborhoods so far. They can differentiate between different gun calibers, car backfires, fireworks, etc): 2,051
"person with gun" calls: 1,938
As far as people actually hit by gunfire, there were 274 shooting victims in 2007, 70 of which were killed, and 184 of which were injured.
When it comes to stabbing victims it seems to usually be just slightly higher than shooting victims (so in the 200-300 range), though less people die from stab wounds than gun shot wounds.
You have to look at the number of shootings or knifings instead. Anyone who shoots someone and does not kill them is just as bad as if they kill them since the general reason for shooting is to kill. It just means that the criminal is a bad shot...
If shootings are no lower in number than in past years, should we not be just as concerned about violence? Or should we be happier that better medical technology is saving more shooting or knifing victims?
Anybody have police stats on shootings for their cities?
Typically, there is a strong correlation with the number of homicides and the overall number shooting/stab victims. I spoke to a trauma surgeon at Metro in Cleveland and they said their hospital alone receives around 350-400 shot/stabbed/seriously beaten people a year. That's just one hospital.
I also recall an article about somewhere near 8,000 police reports of shots fired in one year in Cleveland as well. One thing Cleveland has that a lot of other cities don't are world-class hospitals. So I'm sure that helps keep the homicide numbers down.
Orlando/Orange County (population: 1,100,000) has had 7 homicides in 2010 as of 1/27/2010.
Two of them were in-family murders (daughter killed elderly mother, and husband "accidentally" killed wife), three of them were due to the confrontation between people who knew each other, and two of them were random (robberies).
One thing Cleveland has that a lot of other cities don't are world-class hospitals. So I'm sure that helps keep the homicide numbers down.
SF has an excellent level 1 trauma center at SF General Hospital, so I've heard (the only one in the city too). I wonder how many people would die if it were'nt as good, or if the closest level 1 trauma center were somewhere else in the Bay Area instead.
Interesting map too. There's nothing like that for the Bay Area, but here's one for SF alone, with the 200 or so homicides from 2007 and 2008 represented (black markers are double homicides, except for one which is a triple homicide, and blue ones are justified):
There was a massacre at a party attended by College and High School students last night in Ciudad Juarez. So far, 16 people were gunned down and 29 wounded at the party. All of the victims were aged 14-19 years old. Just absolutey senseless even for Juarez.
Juarez is over 200 for the year, but not quite sure on the exact figure.
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