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Baltimore and DC are in no way related. Baltimore is NOT a suburb. Baltimore is a mid-sized major city. Baltimore-DC does not have the same relationship as say, San Francisco-Oakland. San Francisco are Oakland are separated by a three mile bridge. You can be in downtown San Francisco and get to Oakland faster than you can get to many places within SF via the BART. Baltimore and DC are 40 miles apart separated by a sizable stretch of highways, suburbs and some even sparsely populated rural areas. You can't even clearly pick up most Baltimore radio stations in DC and vice versa.
Culturally, DC and Baltimore are very different. DC is a white collar city. Most working people in DC are highly educated professionals and federal workers. Baltimore is a post-industrial working class city and bears the scars of a post-manufacturing city. DC's economy is much stronger than Baltimore due to irresponsible federal spending which has made DC the richest big city in America with the highest average incomes.
DC has undergone waves of gentrification over the past 20 years and has done a complete 180 from being the murder capital of the United States that it was in the early 90's. Baltimore has undergone much less gentrification as high crime and neglect still plagues swaths of the city in the form of the booming illegal underground economy of hard drugs and it scary associated street crime which make many areas of the city forbidding to outsiders.
DC and Baltimore create different breeds of people. Northwest DC is a hub for wealthy and upper middle class whites, many of whom come from old money. The upper middle class and wealthy white populations in Baltimore city, proper, are much smaller than that of DC. Virtually all whites in DC are rich or upper middle class people from educated white collar backgrounds. In Baltimore, there are significant populations of working class and lower income whites.
The culture in DC is often described as "pretentious" and cold. DC is all about talking (more like bragging) endlessly about the exclusive gentrifying expensive city neighborhood or suburb where you live, what you do for a living at your prestigious high paying job, what name brand school you went to in order to earn your heavy masters degree etc. Even in DC's ghetto population, its about what expensive Nikes and exclusive clothes you have etc. DC is status obsessed. Money talks in DC and thats about it. People from Baltimore are more sociable and more likely to talk to random strangers. Baltimore is much more dressed down than DC which is a sea of business suits and related attire.
There is no cultural glue that binds DC and Baltimore that exists in other regions. For example, San Francisco and Oakland are parts of a whole which is the Bay Area. Outsiders would be surprised that San Francisco and Oakland have much more in common than the funhouse mirror of media perception would like you to believe. San Francisco often ranks as the number one tourist city in the Americas, so SF is often portrayed to be safer than it is and Oakland is portrayed to be more dangerous than it is to keep tourist dollars flowing into SF and SF only. There are plenty of bad neighborhoods in San Francisco on par with the worst of Oakland and there are wealthy neighborhoods in Oakland on par with the best of SF. There is a sort of unified diverse distinctive Bay Area culture that exists on both sides of the bridge. This unified regional identity does not exist between Baltimore and DC. Many people locally call the DC Area the "DMV" which stands for DC, Maryland and Virginia. Baltimore and its suburbs are never included in the "DMV"
People from DC and Baltimore tend not to like each other. White people from DC look at Baltimore as being dangerous, low-brow and low class. Native blacks from DC and PG County often look down on black Baltimoreans as being country, slow and unsophisticated labeling them "bamas". Baltimore looks up more to Philly and NYC and looks at DC people as weirdos with a strange local culture. DC and Baltimore produce different types of local music. DC produces Go-Go music which can be described as a sort of live call-and-response garbage can Funk. Whereas Baltimore produces Club music which can be described as fast-paced low budget ghetto House music.
Last edited by LunaticVillage; 02-22-2013 at 06:38 PM..
Philly(city proper) will always have its distinct culture but I will say that the Philly and New York situation is eerily similar to how Baltimore and Washington combined their CSAs. I'm pretty sure people 40-50 years ago would had never thought Baltimore and Washington DC would share the same CSA.
It's inevitable that the Philly and New York area will combine into one single CSA, it's just a matter of when it will happen. The line between Philly suburb and New York City suburb will continue to blur as more people continue to commute to each others MSA vice versa. I do believe that a lot of people outside this region do not realize how close Trenton is to Philly. Even if the Philly CSA does combine with the New York CSA, I don't see how this hurts Philly. It didn't hurt Baltimore when it combined it's CSA with the Washington DC area right?
But the difference with Baltimore and Oakland it that Philadelphia is greatly independent. Baltimore is independent. Oakland and Baltimore DON'T rank always in the top 5 in mostly everything. Philly is always said to have the best arts and culinary scene. Philly is a boss on its own. It's very different. Because Baltimore and Oakland are (for a lack of words) not affluent, and don't play major role in the world. And Philadelphia, and the Deleware Valley does. One affluent city can't control another. That's the same as New York owning Toronto. And Philly ranks above Toronto in many things, GDP for one.
Philly is too good to be part of New York anyway. Baltimore, on the other hand is falling apart and without DC nearby it would've become Detroit. Take a trip there to see how bad Baltimore really is outside of the Inner Harbor.
Philly is too good to be part of New York anyway. Baltimore, on the other hand is falling apart and without DC nearby it would've become Detroit. Take a trip there to see how bad Baltimore really is outside of the Inner Harbor.
Baltimore is far from falling, and it would never go the way Detroit goes even if DC wasn't nearby, infact DC has caused a bit more harm to the city limits because its (DC) sphere of influence continues to grow into Baltimore suburbs. The Baltimore metropolitan is fairly limited in land because its smashed between two larger metropolitans (Philly and DC), York County, PA, Montgomery County, MD, and Prince George County would be considered Baltimore metropolitan if not for DC (not York County) but of course those counties wouldn't be as populated as they are without DC. What you are saying is like saying if Wilmington, DE was the capital of America and Philly completely depends on it for growth when in reality that's not true. Am I saying DC has no influence on our growth? No, we have plenty of gov't agencies such as Social Security, the NSA, etc within our metropolitan but if those jobs weren't there the metropolitan wouldn't cease to exist solely because we we're already a major city before DC even existed plus we have a major part for the mid-west.
But the difference with Baltimore and Oakland it that Philadelphia is greatly independent. Baltimore is independent. Oakland and Baltimore DON'T rank always in the top 5 in mostly everything. Philly is always said to have the best arts and culinary scene. Philly is a boss on its own. It's very different. Because Baltimore and Oakland are (for a lack of words) not affluent, and don't play major role in the world. And Philadelphia, and the Deleware Valley does. One affluent city can't control another. That's the same as New York owning Toronto. And Philly ranks above Toronto in many things, GDP for one.
As I said before Philly will always have it's distinct culture and prominence and I'm not saying that New York City is taking over the entire Delaware Valley. All I'm saying is that the line between Philly's Northeastern suburbs and New York's Southwestern suburbs are starting to get more difficult to distinguished. It's not a knock on Philly but it just shows how their economies(at least in the northeastern section of the Philly MSA) are starting to grow together.
In reality I don't see how this really hurts Philly. At least it will boost Philly to the #1 rankings on just about every stat sheet.
Actually if it were to happen New York would be a suburb of Philly. Comcast owns NBC now, don't forget. And Philly creates many things New York takes credit for.
Actually if it were to happen New York would be a suburb of Philly. Comcast owns NBC now, don't forget. And Philly creates many things New York takes credit for.
Lol. Good one. But in all reality these are two of the strongest city's in the world (yes Philadelphia). And they both cannot control one another.
Well, the founding fathers made some idiotic decisions that robbed Philly's status as America's primate city by relocating financial capital to New York and building a new capital in DC.
DC and Baltimore create different breeds of people. Northwest DC is a hub for wealthy and upper middle class whites, many of whom come from old money. The upper middle class and wealthy white populations in Baltimore city, proper, are much smaller than that of DC. Virtually all whites in DC are rich or upper middle class people from educated white collar backgrounds. In Baltimore, there are significant populations of working class and lower income whites.
People from DC and Baltimore tend not to like each other. White people from DC look at Baltimore as being dangerous, low-brow and low class. Native blacks from DC and PG County often look down on black Baltimoreans as being country, slow and unsophisticated labeling them "bamas". Baltimore looks up more to Philly and NYC and looks at DC people as weirdos with a strange local culture. DC and Baltimore produce different types of local music. DC produces Go-Go music which can be described as a sort of live call-and-response garbage can Funk. Whereas Baltimore produces Club music which can be described as fast-paced low budget ghetto House music.
You've got that right.
Personally, I don't hate Baltimore at all, but a lot of my friends (particularly the ones with African American heritage) seem to look down on B-More a lot.
Baltimore and DC are in no way related. Baltimore is NOT a suburb. Baltimore is a mid-sized major city. Baltimore-DC does not have the same relationship as say, San Francisco-Oakland. San Francisco are Oakland are separated by a three mile bridge. You can be in downtown San Francisco and get to Oakland faster than you can get to many places within SF via the BART. Baltimore and DC are 40 miles apart separated by a sizable stretch of highways, suburbs and some even sparsely populated rural areas. You can't even clearly pick up most Baltimore radio stations in DC and vice versa.
Culturally, DC and Baltimore are very different. DC is a white collar city. Most working people in DC are highly educated professionals and federal workers. Baltimore is a post-industrial working class city and bears the scars of a post-manufacturing city. DC's economy is much stronger than Baltimore due to irresponsible federal spending which has made DC the richest big city in America with the highest average incomes.
DC has undergone waves of gentrification over the past 20 years and has done a complete 180 from being the murder capital of the United States that it was in the early 90's. Baltimore has undergone much less gentrification as high crime and neglect still plagues swaths of the city in the form of the booming illegal underground economy of hard drugs and it scary associated street crime which make many areas of the city forbidding to outsiders.
DC and Baltimore create different breeds of people. Northwest DC is a hub for wealthy and upper middle class whites, many of whom come from old money. The upper middle class and wealthy white populations in Baltimore city, proper, are much smaller than that of DC. Virtually all whites in DC are rich or upper middle class people from educated white collar backgrounds. In Baltimore, there are significant populations of working class and lower income whites.
The culture in DC is often described as "pretentious" and cold. DC is all about talking (more like bragging) endlessly about the exclusive gentrifying expensive city neighborhood or suburb where you live, what you do for a living at your prestigious high paying job, what name brand school you went to in order to earn your heavy masters degree etc. Even in DC's ghetto population, its about what expensive Nikes and exclusive clothes you have etc. DC is status obsessed. Money talks in DC and thats about it. People from Baltimore are more sociable and more likely to talk to random strangers. Baltimore is much more dressed down than DC which is a sea of business suits and related attire.
There is no cultural glue that binds DC and Baltimore that exists in other regions. For example, San Francisco and Oakland are parts of a whole which is the Bay Area. Outsiders would be surprised that San Francisco and Oakland have much more in common than the funhouse mirror of media perception would like you to believe. San Francisco often ranks as the number one tourist city in the Americas, so SF is often portrayed to be safer than it is and Oakland is portrayed to be more dangerous than it is to keep tourist dollars flowing into SF and SF only. There are plenty of bad neighborhoods in San Francisco on par with the worst of Oakland and there are wealthy neighborhoods in Oakland on par with the best of SF. There is a sort of unified diverse distinctive Bay Area culture that exists on both sides of the bridge. This unified regional identity does not exist between Baltimore and DC. Many people locally call the DC Area the "DMV" which stands for DC, Maryland and Virginia. Baltimore and its suburbs are never included in the "DMV"
People from DC and Baltimore tend not to like each other. White people from DC look at Baltimore as being dangerous, low-brow and low class. Native blacks from DC and PG County often look down on black Baltimoreans as being country, slow and unsophisticated labeling them "bamas". Baltimore looks up more to Philly and NYC and looks at DC people as weirdos with a strange local culture. DC and Baltimore produce different types of local music. DC produces Go-Go music which can be described as a sort of live call-and-response garbage can Funk. Whereas Baltimore produces Club music which can be described as fast-paced low budget ghetto House music.
Based on commuting patterns, Baltimore IS a DC suburb, pure and simple!!! All of that other stuff that you mentioned has nothing to do with nothing!!!
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