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Old 03-21-2009, 04:23 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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100 most dangerous cities in the USA America states 10 20 50

i was also being sarcastic on the mayor's speech!
That is also from 1998. This is the new 2008 rankings:
CQ Press: City Crime Rankings 2008
http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/City...8_Rank_Rev.pdf
http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/Metr...8_Rank_Rev.pdf

As you can see, as a city, Cleveland is the 11th most dangerous in the US, while Las Vegas is the 56th. This is out of over 385 cities in the US.

However, as a metro, Cleveland is the 100th most dangerous in the US, while Las Vegas is the 3rd most dangerous (ouch!). This is out of over 338 metros in the US.
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Old 03-21-2009, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Here and there, you decide.
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That is also from 1998. This is the new 2008 rankings:
CQ Press: City Crime Rankings 2008
http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/City...8_Rank_Rev.pdf
http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/Metr...8_Rank_Rev.pdf

As you can see, as a city, Cleveland is the 11th most dangerous in the US, while Las Vegas is the 56th. This is out of over 385 cities in the US.

However, as a metro, Cleveland is the 100th most dangerous in the US, while Las Vegas is the 3rd most dangerous (ouch!). This is out of over 338 metros in the US.
problem is that they consider auto theft in both of those. i still wonder what they consider las vegas metro, if it is just downtown, then that is understandable... if its the whole thing, then it doesnt make sense at all since there are no "suburbs"
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Old 03-21-2009, 06:41 AM
 
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by the way, cle, good source.. i saw it at first but thought i had to pay for the information... crazy thing, it rates north las vegas safer than las vegas.. on the las vegas forum, if you ask around, its opposite
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Old 03-21-2009, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
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by the way, cle, good source.. i saw it at first but thought i had to pay for the information... crazy thing, it rates north las vegas safer than las vegas.. on the las vegas forum, if you ask around, its opposite
Yeah, its one of the most accurate lists that Ive seen. Almost all of them are in the correct place.

There will always be some flaws, but they have a pretty good formula and factor in everything that needs to be.
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Old 03-21-2009, 09:57 PM
 
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this is outside cleveland in the burbs, but pretty close to where i live
Aurora woman killed outside Sagamore Hills bar in fight with her boyfriend - Metro - cleveland.com
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Old 03-22-2009, 08:39 AM
 
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Most likely #30 Police find dead man in West Side yard - Metro - cleveland.com
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Old 03-22-2009, 10:22 AM
 
Location: ABQ
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By comparison, I just moved to the Bay Area and found it interesting that Oakland, the 4th most dangerous city in the U.S., just had a triple murder (all cops) and I haven't been following as closely as Cle, but one news source claimed this brought the homicides up to 16 for the year, which was down from 32 at this point last year.

So, to put this into perspective, Cleveland is blowing Oakland out of the water so far, and are just shy of their homicide rate last year which put them at #4 most dangerous.

As a note, Cleveland's population is slightly higher -- about 50-60,000 more people though it will be interesting to see the numbers from 2010 census.
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Old 03-22-2009, 08:15 PM
 
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Actually I think 4 people were killed in Oakland. 3 cops and the suspect were all killed. Another cop is injured, but recovering I think. Its gotten a lot of national news attention.

If that put Oakland at only 16, then yes, Cleveland is doing very bad this year. Actually, the new estimates put Oakland at only about 40,000 (440k vs 400k) people less than Cleveland. Most years these cities have about the same number of murders, but this year it seems Cleveland will have more murders and a higher murder rate. Pretty bad to say the least.
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Old 03-22-2009, 08:24 PM
 
Location: ABQ
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Actually I think 4 people were killed in Oakland. 3 cops and the suspect were all killed. Another cop is injured, but recovering I think. Its gotten a lot of national news attention.

If that put Oakland at only 16, then yes, Cleveland is doing very bad this year. Actually, the new estimates put Oakland at only about 40,000 (440k vs 400k) people less than Cleveland. Most years these cities have about the same number of murders, but this year it seems Cleveland will have more murders and a higher murder rate. Pretty bad to say the least.
4th cop is brain dead and on life support. I suspect he'll be #17. Would the suspect's death be counted? I say that with general ignorance -- I'm not sure if he'd be counted or not.
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Old 03-22-2009, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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4th cop is brain dead and on life support. I suspect he'll be #17. Would the suspect's death be counted? I say that with general ignorance -- I'm not sure if he'd be counted or not.
Im not sure either. If I remember right, they do count some of them.
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