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I am a student at the UOP and it is interesting to see what so many people think about something they have never done. A degree is what you do with it, not where it came from. Yes I do agree that Yale and all of those big schools would be great but I am older and this was a good choice for me. Everyone says for profit schools are expensive so is milk but I still by that too. All of my books are included and if you compare what I have spent in school compared to my 23 year old brother who did go to a brick & morter school for 6 years it's a fraction of what he spent.
Everyone says "Oh, it's a degree mill & that's all." In a way thats true it gets me the degree I am looking for with no fluff and it's quick, I need the degree before I retire (laughing).
I have had amazing instructors that hold some pretty amazing jobs and have a lot to teach. There are good and bad apples in every basket and I think that in time people will think no less of a degree that came from a for-profit.
P.S. I work my butt of for my grades and no it's not easy. What I will be able to offer to an employer is a current degree and 15 years of work experience, if that's not good enough then I probably don't want to work there anyway.
I am a student at the UOP and it is interesting to see what so many people think about something they have never done. A degree is what you do with it, not where it came from. Yes I do agree that Yale and all of those big schools would be great but I am older and this was a good choice for me. Everyone says for profit schools are expensive so is milk but I still by that too. All of my books are included and if you compare what I have spent in school compared to my 23 year old brother who did go to a brick & morter school for 6 years it's a fraction of what he spent.
Everyone says "Oh, it's a degree mill & that's all." In a way thats true it gets me the degree I am looking for with no fluff and it's quick, I need the degree before I retire (laughing).
I have had amazing instructors that hold some pretty amazing jobs and have a lot to teach. There are good and bad apples in every basket and I think that in time people will think no less of a degree that came from a for-profit.
P.S. I work my butt of for my grades and no it's not easy. What I will be able to offer to an employer is a current degree and 15 years of work experience, if that's not good enough then I probably don't want to work there anyway.
No one is saying you can't overspend at a traditional school like it sounds like your relative did. For someone older like yourself who seems like they are just looking to have a degree towards the end of your career a for profit probably isn't a horrible move assuming you are not spending more than 20k.
It's quite another thing to get a masters or phd when you are young from a for profit as you are pretty much stuck with working at a for profit as no four year university is going to hire you to teach.
I am trying to understand why people are so against the idea of for-profit - It sounds more like personal hatred than anything else. People keep saying "No one would ever hire a........!!!" Sounds like a lot of assumptions to me.
I have my suspitions that statement is just not true.
I am trying to understand why people are so against the idea of for-profit - It sounds more like personal hatred than anything else. People keep saying "No one would ever hire a........!!!" Sounds like a lot of assumptions to me.
I have my suspitions that statement is just not true.
Just a lot of facts due to acceptance requirements/cost/graduation rate/loan repayment/job placement. They offer nothing you can't get somewhere else for a lot less money and of higher quality.
Quite interesting you found this post for your first one. Sounds like someone might have found another ID to give them some "backup"
When you are set up like yourself already in a job a for profit can make sense. The main question would be is your job paying for it? If not couldn't you have went somewhere else cheaper?
Well, DeVry makes sense for me, in my situation. It may, or may not, make sense for someone else.
For me, I HAVE to do online. I cannot go to a class three times a week, per each course that I am taking that quarter/semester. My job schedule is varied to be able to commit time for that. Plus, living in the Chicago area, there are not a lot of commuter schools here (like Wright State was, back in Dayton). So, it is just not easy to go to school in the Chicago area, unless you are able to go full-time and not have to work...unless you are willing to go part-time, and take forever to finish school.
So, for me, yes DeVry works, and like I mentioned, I do know that it is not as prestigious as a Harvard/Yale/Oxford, or even UIC, OSU, Wright State, etc. The online aspect offers me the flexibility I need, to complete my degree, so that my skillset is upgraded enough to compete in the job market. I could care less, now, about the campus experience, the football games, the frats, etc. I am 38 years old, and have 12 years experience in my field. But, I need the actual degree to stay competitive. For me, DeVry is just a stepping stone to get to Grad school.
There is a lot of confusion about what DeVry is. Yes, they are for-profit. A lot of people confuse them with ITT Technical Institute. DeVry does offer a good education, both campus-based on and online-based. But, like I said in previous posts, they do not offer the frat and football game type campus experience. DeVry's main thing is providing an education and a degree to degree-seekers, so that they can participate in the job market, with a marketable skill set. Sure, some universities may have more motivated students, or students who performed better in high school, etc. And yes, some may have better professors; maybe not. I know for sure, that I am getting a good education, as I am actively learning the trade that I am studying for. The textbook and the online lecture is pretty much the same thing as I would get at, for instance, UIC.
The MAIN difference between deVry, and the traditional schools, is that the state-run schools are mainly RESEARCH FACILITIES that then also instruction to degree-seekers. Whereas, DeVry is mainly a TEACHING FACILITY; there is no research done there (that I am aware of). It is a VENDOR.
And, as I mentioned above, I do think that DeVry is a good school with a good product; if not, then I would not see so many large employers on-campus, trying to recruit students for future employment.
Just a lot of facts due to acceptance requirements/cost/graduation rate/loan repayment/job placement. They offer nothing you can't get somewhere else for a lot less money and of higher quality.
Quite interesting you found this post for your first one. Sounds like someone might have found another ID to give them some "backup"
Gatornation,
I'm in a focus group and this is part of it. We are trying to understand people like you........ You really are taking this all very personally, this is just a discussion, right?
Now you are making remarks about my username... I use it because it's funny (Young Frankenstein) why so mean......?
Well, DeVry makes sense for me, in my situation. It may, or may not, make sense for someone else.
For me, I HAVE to do online. I cannot go to a class three times a week, per each course that I am taking that quarter/semester. My job schedule is varied to be able to commit time for that. Plus, living in the Chicago area, there are not a lot of commuter schools here (like Wright State was, back in Dayton). So, it is just not easy to go to school in the Chicago area, unless you are able to go full-time and not have to work...unless you are willing to go part-time, and take forever to finish school.
So, for me, yes DeVry works, and like I mentioned, I do know that it is not as prestigious as a Harvard/Yale/Oxford, or even UIC, OSU, Wright State, etc. The online aspect offers me the flexibility I need, to complete my degree, so that my skillset is upgraded enough to compete in the job market. I could care less, now, about the campus experience, the football games, the frats, etc. I am 38 years old, and have 12 years experience in my field. But, I need the actual degree to stay competitive. For me, DeVry is just a stepping stone to get to Grad school.
There is a lot of confusion about what DeVry is. Yes, they are for-profit. A lot of people confuse them with ITT Technical Institute. DeVry does offer a good education, both campus-based on and online-based. But, like I said in previous posts, they do not offer the frat and football game type campus experience. DeVry's main thing is providing an education and a degree to degree-seekers, so that they can participate in the job market, with a marketable skill set. Sure, some universities may have more motivated students, or students who performed better in high school, etc. And yes, some may have better professors; maybe not. I know for sure, that I am getting a good education, as I am actively learning the trade that I am studying for. The textbook and the online lecture is pretty much the same thing as I would get at, for instance, UIC.
The MAIN difference between deVry, and the traditional schools, is that the state-run schools are mainly RESEARCH FACILITIES that then also instruction to degree-seekers. Whereas, DeVry is mainly a TEACHING FACILITY; there is no research done there (that I am aware of). It is a VENDOR.
And, as I mentioned above, I do think that DeVry is a good school with a good product; if not, then I would not see so many large employers on-campus, trying to recruit students for future employment.
I agree SmartGXL,
Seems to me UTI also has the same good reputation and many recruiters there as well. I think in the future people won't have such a negative reaction to for-profits.
So you're a plant? You know you don't see Georgia tech making usernames to protect there bad names on Internet forums.
For profits need to get accreitted, stop milkin the gov for billions and pumping out thousands of people with worhless degrees. Degrees employers look at and say, this is just a piece of paper because they don't recognize the so called education the school provided.
There are bench marks however for that, and for profits fall far short of them.
I'm in a focus group and this is part of it. We are trying to understand people like you........ You really are taking this all very personally, this is just a discussion, right?
Now you are making remarks about my username... I use it because it's funny (Young Frankenstein) why so mean......?
You probably could have posted a couple other places first to make it a bit more legit.
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