[7 Wishes]

This is the biggest COVID story in the news this evening.


Asymptomatic transmission was the main basis for social distancing and lockdowns.


What made this different from SARS, which shares 80% of DNA with it (thus the name SARS-2 as one of the names of this virus, was that SARS had no Asymptomatic transmission, so it could be easily contained.

While I think it's short-sighted to completely defund WHO, I kind of understand why people may be skeptical of them right now after this. If it is weakening (which WHO denies and I too am not fully convinced of) and asymptomatic transmission is rare, we may be looking back at this differently 6 months from now:


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...3EZaJWWhwZF2TI

[Pike320]

Originally Posted by in_newengland

And the two studies published in the The New England Journal of Medicine and the Lancet turned out to be based upon faulty data.

Faulty data, maybe. More likely faked data.

[whatsgoingon4]

Originally Posted by 7 Wishes

This is the biggest COVID story in the news this evening.


Asymptomatic transmission was the main basis for social distancing and lockdowns.


What made this different from SARS, which shares 80% of DNA with it (thus the name SARS-2 as one of the names of this virus, was that SARS had no Asymptomatic transmission, so it could be easily contained.

While I think it's short-sighted to completely defund WHO, I kind of understand why people may be skeptical of them right now after this. If it is weakening (which WHO denies and I too am not fully convinced of) and asymptomatic transmission is rare, we may be looking back at this differently 6 months from now:


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...3EZaJWWhwZF2TI

Even though I said before it could be weakening, I'm not fully convinced either or at all of that. But I sure hope so. While it does seem that deaths are down some, not sure if that was due to the distancing/shutdowns finally having results or not. The number of new cases beginning to increase is making me concerned that more hospitalizations and deaths will be lagging behind those increases, and we'll have to go through this shutdown all over again, besides the increase in deaths. I think most all places in the US are well over their peak, I just hope we don't have to go over another one or two.

This is interesting news, but I guess it will have to have more investigation to decide. The asymptomatic transmission is what really made this virus such a fear, IMO. The implications of not knowing whether you have it on what you can and cannot do is paralyzing.

[whatsgoingon4]

Originally Posted by 7 Wishes

This is the biggest COVID story in the news this evening.


Asymptomatic transmission was the main basis for social distancing and lockdowns.


What made this different from SARS, which shares 80% of DNA with it (thus the name SARS-2 as one of the names of this virus, was that SARS had no Asymptomatic transmission, so it could be easily contained.

While I think it's short-sighted to completely defund WHO, I kind of understand why people may be skeptical of them right now after this. If it is weakening (which WHO denies and I too am not fully convinced of) and asymptomatic transmission is rare, we may be looking back at this differently 6 months from now:


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...3EZaJWWhwZF2TI

Well that didn't last very long:

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...isinterpreted/

I don't know what to believe anymore. All I know is this crap ain't going away anytime close to soon.

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by whatsgoingon4

Well that didn't last very long:

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...isinterpreted/

I don't know what to believe anymore. All I know is this crap ain't going away anytime close to soon.

This is the problem with believing media coverage of anything. They always paint things black or white. It’s rarely balanced or truly indicative of what is really beginning said. The point is that there is some evidence to say that the virus is not spread rapidly if people are asymptotic. That’s not to say the virus can’t be transmitted so it’s better to be cautious until more is known about it. Jay

[whatsgoingon4]

Originally Posted by JayCT

This is the problem with believing media coverage of anything. They always paint things black or white. It’s rarely balanced or truly indicative of what is really beginning said. The point is that there is some evidence to say that the virus is not spread rapidly if people are asymptotic. That’s not to say the virus can’t be transmitted so it’s better to be cautious until more is known about it. Jay

I know, and maybe it's just that I should stop paying so much attention to the media coverage on this. I find when I distance from it some I usually feel more positive. Usually I post in this thread because it seems to be a bit more positive than others - just look at the coronavirus general thread - many basically saying the re-openings have been a failure and we'll have to lock down soon again.

I've never seen anything on this scale before, and my worry is mainly that we will never get a vaccine or immunity to it and we'll have to live this "life" of fear and restrictions the rest of our lives, as nothing else will be possible.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

Now back on topic of corona in CT.

[Stepfordct]

The takeaway here is about the media in and of itself.
How many times have you read an article about something in your wheelhouse. Something you might be kinda an expert about.....at least in your mind anyways.
How many times when you read something online about whichever subject that your knowledgeable about and your saying to yourself
WT#Heck.....( Don't want to be banned)

Seems to happen a lot some might say....

[7 Wishes]

Originally Posted by whatsgoingon4

I've never seen anything on this scale before, and my worry is mainly that we will never get a vaccine or immunity to it and we'll have to live this "life" of fear and restrictions the rest of our lives, as nothing else will be possible.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

Now back on topic of corona in CT.

If there is no vaccine and immunity is short, the likely scenario is that it will eventually weaken and join the 4 coronaviruses that make up a bad cold.

The thing is, that could take years. But it's doubtful that would take decades. So there's a little hope. While it is not at all related to the flu, remember that even Spanish flu without treatments or a vaccine and with less mitigation than we have done basically did this after about 2 years if you want something to go by. And for better or worse, what followed it was the "Roaring Twenties".

[Stylo]

Originally Posted by 7 Wishes

If there is no vaccine and immunity is short, the likely scenario is that it will eventually weaken and join the 4 coronaviruses that make up a bad cold.

The thing is, that could take years. But it's doubtful that would take decades. So there's a little hope. While it is not at all related to the flu, remember that even Spanish flu without treatments or a vaccine and with less mitigation than we have done basically did this after about 2 years if you want something to go by. And for better or worse, what followed it was the "Roaring Twenties".

There’s no reason to believe immunity will be short. It’s a few years with SARS, should be the same with this.

We don’t even necessarily have to bank totally on mutations. There’s “deletions” being observed as the virus is passed around that could weaken it like many other similar viruses. A neat feature of our immune systems.

Also, it’s possible that up to 40% of people are simply resistant due to other coronavirus exposure.

A good read: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ation-immunity

[7 Wishes]

Originally Posted by Stylo

There’s no reason to believe immunity will be short. It’s a few years with SARS, should be the same with this.

We don’t even necessarily have to bank totally on mutations. There’s “deletions” being observed as the virus is passed around that could weaken it like many other similar viruses. A neat feature of our immune systems.

Also, it’s possible that up to 40% of people are simply resistant due to other coronavirus exposure.

A good read: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ation-immunity

Thank you, very interesting. Immunity is tricky as with the coronas that cause a cold it can be as little as a few months, but it does seem to be a few years with SARS and MERS. And while I don't know if there's still any isolated MERS cases out there since it's more recent, no SARS cases since 2004.

My "gut" feeling is one way or another this "goes away". I think because it was so much more widespread than SARS and MERS it won't truly be gone but it will diminish to being like a cold much like how 1918 turned into a run of the mill flu eventually. I think there will be a vaccine, it won't be as "perfect" as hoped but will be enough to keep it further at bay. But I think it could take up to 2 years, though I feel confident it will be better enough a year from now that they will have the Olympics, but it may be a more limited one than planned with less events and some limits (maybe every other seat and half capacity) on crowds. Japan is proving to be really really good at controlling it already.