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Old 10-24-2013, 12:03 PM
 
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An AR-15 mounted on a motorcycle. You have to wonder what mind came up with that. Probably the same mind that left it there, loaded and available to anyone that walked by.

Just how do you secure a long gun on a motorcycle so that no one else can simply walk up and use it? I guess you could lock it but you'd also have to lock the charging handle, trigger and safety thus rendering the weapon rather useless in an emergency.

What next, Police with RPGs?
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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"Safety presentation?" That really sensationalizes it. Red Ribbon Week is aimed at drug use and bullying. Regardless of any hyperbole, the officer should have cleared the weapon before leaving it unattended.
No, you do not leave firearms unattended period. Locked away is one thing, unattended quite another.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Rural Michigan
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An AR-15 mounted on a motorcycle. You have to wonder what mind came up with that. Probably the same mind that left it there, loaded and available to anyone that walked by.

Just how do you secure a long gun on a motorcycle so that no one else can simply walk up and use it? I guess you could lock it but you'd also have to lock the charging handle, trigger and safety thus rendering the weapon rather useless in an emergency.

What next, Police with RPGs?
MRAP's at football games.. because, you know.. terrorism ..and "it was FREE!!!!!"

Ohio State University Police Get IED-Resistant Military Vehicle for Use on Football Game Days | StateImpact Ohio
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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An AR-15 mounted on a motorcycle. You have to wonder what mind came up with that. Probably the same mind that left it there, loaded and available to anyone that walked by.

Just how do you secure a long gun on a motorcycle so that no one else can simply walk up and use it? I guess you could lock it but you'd also have to lock the charging handle, trigger and safety thus rendering the weapon rather useless in an emergency.

What next, Police with RPGs?
That's weird with the AR-15 on the motorcycle, most likely it was just for show so kids can say "wow that's cool"
But I am thinking that most police cruisers have mounted shotguns that are held in place with a hidden lock switch to prevent tampering by civilians (although of course if you knew where to look you can find the little switch).

Yeah, all these military weapons. People complain about civilians having them? I am concerned about local police having them. I always thank a police officer for "being on the front lines of terrorism" when he is extra dilligent about parking tickets.
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Old 10-24-2013, 01:17 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Firstly, there is NO such thing as an "accidental discharge" of a weapon. The term is NEGLIGENT discharge". Period! Second, the article states this eas an AR 15, left on a motorcycle. The end of the article says the weapon type was not yet identified. ???WTF...At any rate, why was this weapon left unattended, and locked and loaded to boot?! Again WTF?!! Was the bike expecting an active shooter situation? Cops This is what we are supposed to depend on for protection? Can't even trust them to follow the most rudimentary protocols for firearms handling, and we let them have military grade hardware? I'll be fair, and not all cops could possibly be this ate up with stupid, and thus I offer certain exceptions, but this is unforgivable.

Verily, if the general public knew how many negligent discharges happen with LE, action would be demanded. My experiences are such that I do NOT assume that being a cop means the individual with the badge has a clue. I wait for proof.
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Old 10-24-2013, 02:08 PM
 
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I'm by no means defending the officer but I'm quite sure that the weapon was locked into its rack just are our shotguns were in patrol vehicles. It took a key to release them and leaving the car, as you often had to, was not construed as leaving the weapon unsecured. So, yes, the weapon was "unattended" but "safe" and secured except for the very great mistake of leaving it locked and loaded. I wouldn't get wrapped around the axle about the gun not being "attended."

All this outrage is also rather amusing. It reminds me of H&I fires for those who know what they are. In this case, let's stir it up with high sounding and indignant phrases with no regard for the fact that cops are human too, therefore fallible. Unfortunately, this officer made a huge mistake in judgment. It's as simple and unfortunate as that; nothing more except for those who have a cross to burn.
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Old 10-24-2013, 02:21 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I'm by no means defending the officer but I'm quite sure that the weapon was locked into its rack just are our shotguns were in patrol vehicles. It took a key to release them and leaving the car, as you often had to, was not construed as leaving the weapon unsecured. So, yes, the weapon was "unattended" but "safe" and secured except for the very great mistake of leaving it locked and loaded. I wouldn't get wrapped around the axle about the gun not being "attended."
The weapon was on a motorcycle. Not in a car. Locked down perhaps, but locked and loaded, and totally accessible. A round chambered? While in transit? And left thus, in plain view? No, were he my officer, he would be at Captains Mast, flogged and keel hauled, for this.

A loaded weapon, in transit, and tben left in plain view, at a SCHOOL, for a "safety presentation"? Oh my....
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Old 10-24-2013, 03:27 PM
 
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The weapon was on a motorcycle. Not in a car. Locked down perhaps, but locked and loaded, and totally accessible. A round chambered? While in transit? And left thus, in plain view? No, were he my officer, he would be at Captains Mast, flogged and keel hauled, for this.

A loaded weapon, in transit, and tben left in plain view, at a SCHOOL, for a "safety presentation"? Oh my....
What he said.! ^^^^
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Old 10-24-2013, 03:56 PM
 
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Simply put: There is no defense for what the officer did. Passing it off as a acceptable error is not - acceptable.

Like it or not an officer of the law is held to a higher standard. Leaving a loaded gun in an accessible place as that one did equals no job tomorrow at a minimum.
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Old 10-24-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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I'm by no means defending the officer but I'm quite sure that the weapon was locked into its rack just are our shotguns were in patrol vehicles. It took a key to release them and leaving the car, as you often had to, was not construed as leaving the weapon unsecured. So, yes, the weapon was "unattended" but "safe" and secured except for the very great mistake of leaving it locked and loaded. I wouldn't get wrapped around the axle about the gun not being "attended."

All this outrage is also rather amusing. It reminds me of H&I fires for those who know what they are. In this case, let's stir it up with high sounding and indignant phrases with no regard for the fact that cops are human too, therefore fallible. Unfortunately, this officer made a huge mistake in judgment. It's as simple and unfortunate as that; nothing more except for those who have a cross to burn.
It was a motorcycle. You can't lock anything like that on a motorcycle.

Sorry, mistake in judgement and negligence are two very different things. Had the weapon not been fired and no one injured, a mistake in judgement might pass. That isn't the case and it becomes negligence.

We're talking about a police officer, someone with high level of training, selected to present to others not someone who rarely uses firearms or just happened to be an idiot.
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