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I try to stay away from this argument, but I should point one thing out. Healthcare has gotten so expensive in this country that there is almost no way anyone could go to a doctor without insurance.
The insurance companies win.
Everyone else (those for and against the ACA) loses.
Sure, but costs got out of control once people stopped having to pay for things.
I would never go without health insurance. We're all forced to buy insurance - if you have a mortgage you're required to have homeowner's insurance, if you drive you're required to have auto insurance - and the fine for not having that is MUCH more than $95. As a contact employee, I will not be hired to work without Liability insurance. Why would this one insurance requirement upset you so much compared to all the others?
Most sane post and valid point.
I really don't think that anyone should pick up the tab for people who want to not participate in the ACA and use the ER as their family doctor.
If they are working poor, there is aid. If they are really poor then they have medicaid.
The willfully uninsured are driving up the cost of medical care.
Even if you rent, normal people have tenants insurance. What places do not require auto insurance? Please remind me so I don't drive there.
Insurance is a fraud in this country too. Biggest scam to date. Half the people in Florida drive uninsured because of how much it costs compared to the wages paid here!!! People need to stop assuming everyone is paid by NYC standards!
I really don't think that anyone should pick up the tab for people who want to not participate in the ACA and use the ER as their family doctor.
If they are working poor, there is aid. If they are really poor then they have medicaid.
The willfully uninsured are driving up the cost of medical care.
Even if you rent, normal people have tenants insurance. What places do not require auto insurance? Please remind me so I don't drive there.
Actually, there are quite a few places that will allow a substitute for auto insurance. One can deposit a bond, which to be fair isn't all that different. Or one can simply deposit the cash at their state insurance department, usually at the level of the minimum liability limit. With interest rates so low, some people would be better off putting up the cash.
And then there's New Hampshire, where they say "drive on player" and don't require insurance at all.
Insurance is a fraud in this country too. Biggest scam to date. Half the people in Florida drive uninsured because of how much it costs compared to the wages paid here!!! People need to stop assuming everyone is paid by NYC standards!
There is no law saying you have to buy car insurance. You only need it on a car if you drive on public roads.
I really don't think that anyone should pick up the tab for people who want to not participate in the ACA and use the ER as their family doctor.
If they are working poor, there is aid. If they are really poor then they have medicaid.
You realize that all, and the ACA subsidies, are someone picking up the tab, right?
That's how Obama plays everything. He disguises his liberal agenda with a conservative message, which most people agree with. The argument for the ACA, if you remember, was about how we all have to be responsible and we can't have "free-riders." And all the ACA is, is money transfer, as usual with liberal policies.
Here's another way to think about it:
If a conservative had said, five years ago, that everyone is required to buy their own insurance and we don't want free-loaders and everyone has to be responsible, what would Democrats do? Right, they'd revolt. Why? Because a conservative would actually mean it. In other words, the poor would have to buy their own insurance and be responsible for the load they put on the system.
You realize that all, and the ACA subsidies, are someone picking up the tab, right?
That's how Obama plays everything. He disguises his liberal agenda with a conservative message, which most people agree with. The argument for the ACA, if you remember, was about how we all have to be responsible and we can't have "free-riders." And all the ACA is, is money transfer, as usual with liberal policies.
Here's another way to think about it:
If a conservative had said, five years ago, that everyone is required to buy their own insurance and we don't want free-loaders and everyone has to be responsible, what would Democrats do? Right, they'd revolt. Why? Because a conservative would actually mean it. In other words, the poor would have to buy their own insurance and be responsible for the load they put on the system.
Sure. And someone picks up the tab every time an uninsured person uses an ER an a doctors office.
People need to take responsibility for themselves. Health care is not a "frill" or a vacation".
It is necessary. Not a luxury.
You don't like the insurance industry? And you are a political conservative?
Wow. That's interesting because the insurance industry is very conservative and is hugely supportive of the Republican party.
I'll agree with you this much - I'm not crazy about the insurance industry. They are out to make money for themselves.
The ACA is good. But not great.
The USA should join the rest of the developed country and provide universal healthcare to all.
The reality, SoulJourn, is that you're just a liberal who loves socialism. So in that context, to you, yes, Obamacare is good (but not "great" because I know that to you it doesn't go far enough). However, if you're being honest, you'll admit that America doesn't want what you want. You may argue as much as you want, but the truth is that if Obama laid out what YOU want, or even what the ACA is and was just honest about it and didn't delay it or have exemptions, he'd have been demolished.
Or you can say that's not true and just deny reality.
Sure. And someone picks up the tab every time an uninsured person uses an ER an a doctors office.
The USA should join the rest of the developed country and provide universal healthcare to all.
It always makes me shake my head when I hear this argument because if you have lived overseas for any amount of time it is easy to see that the USA is nothing like the developed countries people think about and the comparison is like apples and oranges.
I could make a list of differences but the thing is, if I were in Germany, Denmark, Sweden, etc I would be happy to have nationalized health care. Those people are cold blooded efficient and organized. Them I would trust with my tax money to run health care. Not the USA government with my tax money. And therefore I do not trust this government to put a cheese sandwich in a paperbag, would mess that up somehow.
just the way I see it.
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