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And no, you have no idea what a nanny state is. A "Nanny State" is when the government enacts laws to keep people from making decisions that only affect themselves, such as how many calories a grown person can decide to ingest in a day, or if an adult should ride a motorcycle or bicycle without a helmet. It is not when the government defines abuse of children, and acts upon those definitions when someone has gone beyond that which has been defined as acceptable.
Well said. I think that this leads to a way to summarize the two opposing positions in the smacking-your-child debate: there are a) those who recognize children as their own individuals and b) those who think of children as an extension of the parents. If you belong to the second stance, you're a lot more likely to be okay with what the first stance would call excessive discipline.
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It does not define what higher risk means and I'm assuming it doesn't isolate for spanking used as part of a broader approach to parenting.
What does that even mean? How many different understandings are there for the term "higher risk"?
And spanking is spanking. They're not studying why parents spank their kids, they're studying the effect of spanking as its own variable. So, it doesn't matter if the adult spanks his kid "as part of a broader approach to parenting." They just wanted see what is likely to happen to a child who is regularly disciplined like that, and they found a significant positive correlation between whether a child was spanked and the likelihood of that child becoming, among other things, an aggressive adult. (Besides, isn't anything you do as a parent to a child "part of a broader approach to parenting"? Like I said, what does that even mean?) For the study it's very telling that a common effect can be found among grown children who've been spanked, despite so many other variables also being part of upbringing.
What does that even mean? How many different understandings are there for the term "higher risk"?
"Higher risk" can be a very broad term. Are we talking 2% or 40%? Driving a car presents a higher risk of dying but how many people are going to stop driving?
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And spanking is spanking. They're not studying why parents spank their kids, they're studying the effect of spanking as its own variable.
Not really. Spanking can be used as one method of punishment along with grounding, time outs and good communication. Thise that spank aren't simply limited to spanking a child. So YES, it definitely matters if spanking is used as part of a broader approach to parenting. We've all heard of the parents that are only seen and talked to when they are ready to spank - that's probably the wrong way to use spanking.
Diet and education probably impact a child in the long term far more than spanking or not spanking.
Therefore - should we legislate what parents are allowed to feed their children? Should we legislate how much effort a parent needs to make toward bettering their child's education?
For the Vikings...things are really blowing up very fast this afternoon....
Master Tesfatsion @MasterStrib 4m
#Vikings and St. Joseph's Home for Children, that provides shelter to abused children, mutually agreed to cancel appearance this afternoon.
The tide on twitter and FB up here is really turned in the last 24 hours......there remains the spanking vs abuse discussion as we have here....but many more are realizing Vikings wrong to play AP than at this time yesterday.
For the Vikings...things are really blowing up very fast this afternoon....
Master Tesfatsion @MasterStrib 4m
#Vikings and St. Joseph's Home for Children, that provides shelter to abused children, mutually agreed to cancel appearance this afternoon.
The tide on twitter and FB up here is really turned in the last 24 hours......there remains the spanking vs abuse discussion as we have here....but many more are realizing Vikings wrong to play AP than at this time yesterday.
Things like this usually fire people up in the short term. You'll see boycotts and everything else. Give it a month and people will be on to something else. The backlash from Twitter/Facebook is severe, but luckily for those facing it, the world of social media has given us very short attention spans. I can almost guarantee, within 2 weeks this thread will be 5 pages back and articles written about AP will be few and far between. It takes something extremely major to emotionally fire people up in the long term (9/11, politics, religion, UFOs, Kennedy assassination, etc).
Things like this usually fire people up in the short term. You'll see boycotts and everything else. Give it a month and people will be on to something else. The backlash from Twitter/Facebook is severe, but luckily for those facing it, the world of social media has given us very short attention spans. I can almost guarantee, within 2 weeks this thread will be 5 pages back and articles written about AP will be few and far between. It takes something extremely major to emotionally fire people up in the long term (9/11, politics, religion, UFOs, Kennedy assassination, etc).
that I do agree with mostly....2 weeks from now either something will have happened to AP or it will be not as hot anymore as people are discussed out about the topic. One good thing regardless it has raised people's awareness and made people think. So while it will simmer down, it will still be on the radar.
Eddie Haskell, tell me this, if a little boy can suffer this amount of abuse for the minor transgression of pushing a sibling, which is something football players do every...single...weekend, what is appropriate for a real act of disobedience in your world? Where does it end?
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