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Old 10-30-2014, 08:55 PM
 
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That says she was a Fellow not an employee.
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Old 10-30-2014, 09:27 PM
 
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That says she was a Fellow not an employee.
She was an EIS with the CDC. EIS is a 2 year program, she worked for them for 2 years and 4 months before (quitting? taking leave to work with DWB?) going to W. Africa with DWB.

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About 75% of EIS graduates remain in public health at CDC or in state or local health departments. Many become leaders in public health throughout the world.
During the 2-year training program, EIS officers are employees of the CDC and receive a salary and benefits. Salaries range from $65,000 to 90,000 per year, based on qualifications and experience.
CDC - EIS More About

So yes, even though she was a Fellow for the first 2 years, she was also an employee for 2.4 years.

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Old 10-30-2014, 10:21 PM
 
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She was an EIS with the CDC. EIS is a 2 year program, she worked for them for 2 years and 4 months before (quitting? taking leave to work with DWB?) going to W. Africa with DWB.

CDC - EIS More About

So yes, even though she was a Fellow for the first 2 years, she was also an employee for 2.4 years.
As your reference points out it is a fellowship...the equivalent of a medical residency program.

Yes fellows and residents are paid employees. But they are temporary and not tied to the organization.

Now if you have some proof that she was working for CDC in W. Africa...but if she was they would never have laid a hand on her.

So you are a right winger? This topic comes up only on right wing sites.
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Old 10-30-2014, 11:05 PM
 
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As your reference points out it is a fellowship...the equivalent of a medical residency program.

Yes fellows and residents are paid employees. But they are temporary and not tied to the organization.

Now if you have some proof that she was working for CDC in W. Africa...but if she was they would never have laid a hand on her.

So you are a right winger? This topic comes up only on right wing sites.
Oh please! It seems that a person cannot make a comment without someone throwing politics into the mix.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and has absolutely nothing to do with politics - get over it!


I did not say she was working for the CDC while in Africa, I did make the comments that she may have quit, or, taken a leave of absence to work with DWB (the CDC does allow leave to employees for volunteer work). In your mindless rush to make it about politics, did you happen to overlook that part - just like you overlooked the part where being an EIS is a 2 year position, yet she stayed for an extra 4 months (idk, maybe she was too dumb to finish the program in 2 years and it took her an extra 4 months to complete it). Or, as it was mentioned in the CDC link that I provided, many who go through that do end up working for the CDC.

If you want to play politics, go to the political forum!! (a forum that I choose to stay out of, for the most part)

Why don't you prove that she had, or has, absolutely no ties to the CDC.

edited to add - who is "they"? Christie? Christie was so adamant about the quarantine, but he sure cut her loose quickly, while stating, regarding her suit threats, "Whatever, get in line". If he was so rigid about the quarantine, and not concerned about a suit, why would he let her go after only a few days?

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Old 10-30-2014, 11:48 PM
 
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That says she was a Fellow not an employee.
"Kaci Hickox grew up in Texas and worked for the CDC in Las Vegas until recently, when she moved to Fort Kent, her mother said. She has worked in several African countries with Doctors Without Borders.

Hickox, who has worked as an Epidemic Intelligence Service Fellow for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention since July 2012, also studied at Johns Hopkins University."

Worked for / worked as = an employee
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Old 10-31-2014, 12:58 AM
 
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ISIS is plotting to kill Western civilians with Ebola and poisoned needles.

"ISIS is urging supporters in the West to kill civilians by any means possible - including using Ebola as a chemical weapon and stabbing people with poisoned needles, a senior Spanish politician claims.

Francisco Martinez, Spain's state secretary for security, said he is taking the threats seriously after uncovering conversations in which jihadis discuss carrying out so-called 'lone wolf' attacks.

Speaking before lawmakers in parliament yesterday, Mr Martinez said would-be militants are using chat rooms to explore the best ways to carry out terror attacks, adding that the conversations prove ISIS considers the internet to be 'an extension of the battlefield'.

Mr Martinez, the second in command in Spain's interior ministry, said investigators had identified 'many examples' of threats to use Ebola as a chemical weapon.

He pointed out three specific cases in which aspiring jihadis 'linked to ISIS' had used internet chat rooms to seriously discuss the viability of harnessing the deadly virus and other toxins as part of a new terrorism offensive, according to Spain's RTVE media company.

One conversation, identified as having taken place between ISIS sympathisers in mid-September, referred to 'the use of Ebola as a poisonous weapon against the United States,' he claimed.

Another conversation reportedly saw militants working out how best to employ 'deadly chemical products' they had stolen from laboratories.

Mr Martinez went on to say that a spokesman for the terror group had also taken to the internet to urge supporters to kill Westerners by any means possible - adding that he had suggested 'poisonous injections' as a possible method."

ISIS plotting to kill Western civilians with EBOLA and poisoned needles | Daily Mail Online

Lol.. the daily mail.. quite an authoritive source!

Seriously.. if you were to just randomly stab the "average" american with a needle, you're likely to get pounded beyond recognition in very short order. Might work in Canada though..
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Old 10-31-2014, 02:01 AM
 
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I had previous posted a link to the NY Times article about a man who made comments on social media (facebook-and, his page is no longer available) about going to W. Africa so he can be exposed with ebola and return to the US.

He's baaack. He's under, what he calls it, forced voluntary quarantine in VT.
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Italia said he was "forced into 'voluntary' quarantine."
New Details Emerge About Rutland Man in Quarantine - myChamplainValley.com

Kaci supporters, do you believe that the civil rights of this man are being violated and he should be released from quarantine? The man who claimed he was going to intentionally contract ebola and bring it back here, oh, and he also has a time machine - but those things shouldn't make a difference if his civil rights are being violated by being forced into quarantine for the next 21 days just because he might become symptomatic for ebola - right?

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Old 10-31-2014, 02:03 AM
 
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Yeah, Escapanc, that sounds about right for those ignorant little turds. But adolescent male children all around the world talk about various weird ways to kill large numbers of enemies (though usually while riding spaceships) ...... you'd think adult terrorists would have grown out of that sort of thing. Ebola would be a very poor bioterrorism weapon (unless it would be used in a huge thirdworld slum), not even as effective as anthrax would be (because mass delivery would be harder).
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Old 10-31-2014, 03:29 AM
 
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As your reference points out it is a fellowship...the equivalent of a medical residency program.

Yes fellows and residents are paid employees. But they are temporary and not tied to the organization.

Now if you have some proof that she was working for CDC in W. Africa...but if she was they would never have laid a hand on her.

So you are a right winger? This topic comes up only on right wing sites.

1. Google is your friend

2. Again, here's concern shown about the SOURCE of reports rather than their VERACITY. A thinking person would wonder why certain news outlets are suppressing NEWS.

3. Meanwhile, the CDC changes its website again, quietly, regarding ebola transmission. Seems those pesky sneeze droplets can land on solid surfaces and remain "active" for an hour. Oh, and the men now "cured" of ebola had better not have sex for three months. *Sigh*
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Old 10-31-2014, 04:22 AM
 
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1. Google is your friend

2. Again, here's concern shown about the SOURCE of reports rather than their VERACITY. A thinking person would wonder why certain news outlets are suppressing NEWS.

3. Meanwhile, the CDC changes its website again, quietly, regarding ebola transmission. Seems those pesky sneeze droplets can land on solid surfaces and remain "active" for an hour. Oh, and the men now "cured" of ebola had better not have sex for three months. *Sigh*
When the coverage consists of less than a dozen sites and prominently features Alex Jones I expect we are dealing with an extremist issue. You read the words and it is clearly true.

Interesting view of the isssue...

Ebola nurse Kaci Hickox: ‘Flaming’ liberals love her. ‘Bully’ conservatives hate her. - The Washington Post
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