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Certainly not overly protective, helicopter parents. I have five adult children. If they ask me for advice I give it. If they don't I keep my mouth shut. As far as I'm concerned to do otherwise would be intrusive and interfering unless it's a matter of safety or security. Four of the five are married with children of their own and all have their own lives. I'm often asked "who, what, where, when, how" questions about their growing up years or my life BC (before children) and very often for recipes. My wife, who is not their mother, is a retired midwife so the girls and daughters-in-law often have questions for her. I consider that parenting as well.
Good for you. I was not, nor have I been a "helicopter parent." I just don't believe a 6 year old with a 10 year old should be out of eye sight of parents. These children were about a mile away in Maryland. Sorry, but that state is not the safest, as with Maine or Idaho!
It is none of your business as to how they raise their children, nor the governments frankly.
No its none of my business, but I have a right to give my opinion on it. That will stand. What can you do? Yanno....we come here and offer opinions. I gave mine....
The MD law says:
The children were not locked or confined in a dwelling, building, enclosure, or motor vehicle, they were outdoors in a park. There was no violation of the law.
NJ's point that the people most likely to be ensnared by the law above are the poor; blacks and Hispanics have much higher rates of poverty than whites so the law is likely to have a disparate impact on minority communities. Disparate impact is how the EEOC judges racism in the work place so it should apply equally to the government and laws.
Well why didn't NJ say that? Are you quite sure you can speak for him/her? I asked for clarification and got none.
Oh.... and the MD law isn't about "free range" and the parents were not in violation.
WHO SAID IT WAS?
Yes, times have changed. Crimes against children are plunging. Kids are safer now then when I was growing up.
In the report above the FBI only opened 77 stranger abduction cases, down from 106 in 2000.
12? They didn't ride a bus until they were 12? My kids walked to school (or rode a bike) or rode the bus from 1st grade on.
NCMEC is an activist group that grows their membership by scaring people. Read the FBI report and raw data. Most of the kids reported missing are found, most of the kidnapping are custodial cases, over a third are runaways from abuse home situations.
BUT YOU WANT ME TO READ THE FREE RANGE WEBSITE, WHICH IS A GROUP BASED SOLELY FOR THE SUPPORT OF THEIR PARENTING THEORIES? I CALL FOUL.
You are trying to debate it, you started the topic.
I'M NOT DEBATING ANYTHING. I STARTED A THREAD AND GAVE MY OPINION FLAT OUT. THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS WITHIN MY POST. STATEMENTS ARE MADE ABOUT HOW I FEEL. A DEBATE WOULD BE ME ASKING YOU WOULD YOU APPROVE OF THIS! THIS IS NOT THE GREAT DEBATES FORUM.
They did follow the law as I've quoted above.
Well, someone was called and CPS came. This is their third time.
Well, someone was called and CPS came. This is their third time.
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Originally Posted by TimTheEnchanter It is none of your business as to how they raise their children, nor the governments frankly.
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No its none of my business, but I have a right to give my opinion on it. That will stand. What can you do? Yanno....we come here and offer opinions. I gave mine....
Well obviously you think it should be everyone's business, that is why you started the thread.
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NJ's point that the people most likely to be ensnared by the law above are the poor; blacks and Hispanics have much higher rates of poverty than whites so the law is likely to have a disparate impact on minority communities. Disparate impact is how the EEOC judges racism in the work place so it should apply equally to the government and laws.
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Well why didn't NJ say that? Are you quite sure you can speak for him/her? I asked for clarification and got none.
They shouldn't have had to as any thinking person knows these facts already.
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Oh.... and the MD law isn't about "free range" and the parents were not in violation.
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WHO SAID IT WAS?
YOU did, twice in fact.
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Yes, times have changed. Crimes against children are plunging. Kids are safer now then when I was growing up.
Yes, lots of parents are paranoid helicopter parents. That doesn't make it right.
Did you read the facts on crime from the Free Range site?
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WHY WOULD I READ THE FACTS ON A WEBSITE WHOSE IDEA OF RAISING CHILDREN ARE DIFFERENT FROM MY OWN? IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN DO YOU READ LIBERAL WEBSITES?
Because the facts on their site come from reputable sources.
And yes, I do read a lot of liberal sites, newspapers and blogs to know what they are saying. It is how I know how completely insane they are.
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NCMEC is an activist group that grows their membership by scaring people. Read the FBI report and raw data. Most of the kids reported missing are found, most of the kidnapping are custodial cases, over a third are runaways from abuse home situations.
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BUT YOU WANT ME TO READ THE FREE RANGE WEBSITE, WHICH IS A GROUP BASED SOLELY FOR THE SUPPORT OF THEIR PARENTING THEORIES? I CALL FOUL.
Yes, because they are quoting reliable sources. I read BOTH sites. Maybe an openminded person would do that.
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You are trying to debate it, you started the topic.
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I'M NOT DEBATING ANYTHING. I STARTED A THREAD AND GAVE MY OPINION FLAT OUT. THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS WITHIN MY POST. STATEMENTS ARE MADE ABOUT HOW I FEEL. A DEBATE WOULD BE ME ASKING YOU WOULD YOU APPROVE OF THIS! THIS IS NOT THE GREAT DEBATES FORUM.
When you post an opinion on a site where you know people have differing opinions you are starting a debate.
This. If OP does not want comments, then I recommend OP should open a blog and disable the comments. Because this is a forum and discussion is everywhere.
What does Free Range have to do with chickens?! "Free Range Parenting" has happened all the time. It isn't new. Kids had frequently been unsupervised and there was always danger (not just in "recent times" or "modern times" ) and that children are more likely to be attacked at church or school or even a school teacher or some other "surprising" place instead of just wandering on their own.
Slow your roll. I didn't say I didn't want comments. Find that. I didn't want this thread to be race based thread. No race trolling. Simple. I'm quite pleased to get "hits" on my posts.
Well the point of this kind of outrage is mostly for people to prove they are better parents.
The related point is to find a way punish 'bad' parents. This fulfills the weird inner American need to discipline others.
The laugh is that nobody really cares that these kids were out by themselves. If there's one thing that Americans certainly don't give a **** about, it's other people's kids.
No one is trying to prove they are better parents. My children are grown and I haven't raised a child in over 30 years. Come again.........
It's pretty sad if kid's can't just go out and play,Or walk down the road to a park. I say its up to the parents and see nothing wrong.Maybe your into the whole nanny state thinking.
Yes, that's what they say. Still not that comforting to me though.
I think the reality is there are many things in the world/things we do everyday that if you look at numbers, they aren't very "comforting". People drive cars/don't think much of it but have you ever seen the stats on the odds of each of us getting in a serious accident? Ever stop to think of all the drunks/impaired/sleepy drivers in the other lane coming towards you at 55mph 6 ft away? What about the favorable odds of each of us getting a heart attack that is mostly caused by our diet/lifestyle choices that many don't seem concerned about? Yet some humans take stats that show certain events that are long shots/rarely happen and make that as their primary concern and react irrationality as it's the norm.
So I ask....given you are so concerned about something that happens rarely in our society, and stats show it's being even less common than years past, I trust you don't drive a car, are a strict vegan for your health, never use a ladder, etc.?
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) and that children are more likely to be attacked at church or school or even a school teacher or some other "surprising" place instead of just wandering on their own. 
