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Prior to the law being passed, the majority of parents were forced to send their kids to school with kids who were not immunized due to parental fear, and they were the ones with serious concerns.
The law has been passed. Your options are limited, but include home schooling or moving to a state that doesn't have this law (yet).
Forced? I thought everyone was in a position to homeschool.
Shingles is chickenpox, dormant in your nervous system. A person who gets chickenpox still has the virus inside of them, waiting to be re-activated. A person with shingles can also pass the virus on to anyone who is not immune.
True. Someone with shingles can pass on the virus to others who are not immune but they won't be spreading shingles, they will be spreading chickenpox. What's funny is one of the biggest vaccine pushers on this thread and every thread on city data was once encouraging an adult with an active cases of shingles to go to work with the shingles virus. I guess that poster only cares about putting people at risk of chicken pox when vaccines are involved. It was an interesting thread to read.
You say that you've been going to work? You may be contagious. You should see your doctor. Usually shingles is seen in much older people.
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010
Although shingles is caused by the chickenpox virus, it is unlikely to spread except by direct contact with the blisters. Keeping the rash covered is sufficient.
The only one who would be susceptible to getting it would be someone who has never had chickenpox or who has not had chickenpox vaccine. That person could catch it, but the result would be chickenpox, not shingles.
There may be teachers who drop off work for public school children who are ill and cannot attend, but those teachers do not provide one on one tutoring and that is not intended to be the sole education a child gets.
The government must provide the opportunity for a child to get a public education. All the parents have to do is vaccinate the child and send him to school.
You think everyone who home schools is rich?
The average vaccine refuser is a college educated woman whose family income is $75,000. Poor people are not refusing to vaccinate their children. Missed vaccines are more often due to lack of access in that demographic, though poor people can get free vaccines.
I already posted far up thread resources that are available for single parents who want to home school.
This is getting back to the notion that we should not have vaccine mandates because there are other social problems. Those problems have nothing to do with vaccines. Each problem must be addressed on its own merits and a suitable approach developed to deal with it. Mandates help with the problem of declining herd immunity due to declining vaccination rates.
Other social problems can be dealt with in other ways.
No, Suzy, they do not drop off work. They tutor them for hours because these ill at home kids are entitled to received "tutoring" while they cannot attend school during their extended illness. It comes under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Yes, they provide 1:1 education to these homebound kids. Many full time teachers do this after school hours to make extra money, in addition to teachers who "Sub".
Then there are teachers who tutor on the side for extra help for testings, kids needing extra help, etc. As a "heath care professional" you do not know this.
My only experience with shingles was watching a friend suffer. She was in so much pain that she could not have worked had she wanted to do so. It was awful and convinced me that regardless of insurance coverage, a shingles vaccine is well worth it.
The average vaccine refuser is a college educated woman whose family income is $75,000. Poor people are not refusing to vaccinate their children. Missed vaccines are more often due to lack of access in that demographic, though poor people can get free vaccines.
I already posted far up thread resources that are available for single parents who want to home school.
This is getting back to the notion that we should not have vaccine mandates because there are other social problems. Those problems have nothing to do with vaccines. Each problem must be addressed on its own merits and a suitable approach developed to deal with it. Mandates help with the problem of declining herd immunity due to declining vaccination rates.
Other social problems can be dealt with in other ways.
Allow me to add, the income level is greater or equal to $75K. You're correct, these are not poor people.
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Denial that slippery slope exists is a logical fallacy.
Fallacy: Slippery Slope
"This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another."
When car seat/seat belt laws were passed, no one said "Next thing they'll be telling us what to feed our kids!"
Shingles vaccines are less effective the older the patient.
Age Range Vaccine Effectiveness
50-59 70%
Over 60 51%-55%*
* The pre-licensure study found 51% and the Kaiser Permanente study 55%.
But it appears that even in those who did get the shingles vaccine and got shingles anyway, it is a milder and more short lived case. Yes a person with shingles ( the return of the chickenpox virus that has lain dormant in the spinal nerves) can infect unvaccinated persons with chicken pox. Pregnant nurses do not take care of shingles patients in the hospital. However, it appears that the case of shingles is like a booster vaccination.
About the woman dying of pneumonia not chicken pox- almost everyone who dies in the ICU is finished off by pneumonia, not matter what the original admitting diagnosis is. Pneumonia is part of the dying process.
Allow me to add, the income level is greater or equal to $75K. You're correct, these are not poor people.
Average means average. There are people who make far less then $75,000 per year and those who make far more.
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Originally Posted by Katarina Witt
Fallacy: Slippery Slope
"This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another."
When car seat/seat belt laws were passed, no one said "Next thing they'll be telling us what to feed our kids!"
Each law has to be evaluated on its own merits!
I don't need a link to tell me something that is very obviously not true. One thing does often lead to another. That is very obvious fact of life that is easily observable.
[quote=tlvancouver;40288639]You're right, its a government conspiracy. You finally found it out. Measles isn't real, it's like unicorns.
The majority of the mainstream media, elected officials, regardless of their political affiliation, the entirety of the respected medical profession, organizations who only exist to keep people safe - they're all in it.
They're all conspiring to ensure that every child has to get a needle to save their lives.
Thank goodness for Hollywood celebrities clever enough to expose this vast conspiracy.
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More people (approx. 39,000 according to CDC) died from complications from the Flu. There is no vaccine for the Flu? You better find a way for force mandatory Flu vaccinations (not just children either) every single year to prevent all those deaths,which in ONE YEAR in 2014 were far more than MEASLES ever was.
Look, I respect your right to differ, but vaccinations are homeopathic by their very definition. They trigger the body's immune system to protect itself. What is the one disease that has been eradicated? And what homeopathic means did they use to do it?
So does the disease ITSELF. You are aware that even the CDC says anyone born before 1957 is immune to measles, because they had it or it was all around them. Same born before 1980 for chicken pox.
Lifetime immunity from the disease itself. Take it up with the CDC if you don't agree. Know your know science.
Having had the diseases THEMSELVES trigger the body's immune system to protect itself. Body recognizes the disease because body HAD it before.
Interesting. She had no symptoms of measles but it was found out on autopsy. The measles vaccine could show up as measles in autopsy since it mimics true measles. It has been found in urine after vaccination. Also could have been a previous measles infection. I find it hard to believe they would even think of testing for measles at autopsy if the woman was asymptomatic even if someone else came down with measles around her.
Also she died of pneumonia not actually measles.
Smells fishy especially when they mention the CA bill in the same article.
Added: Also the article states "The last active case of measles in Washington was reported in late April." yet "She was there at the same time as a person who later developed a rash and was contagious for measles, Moyer said. That's when the woman most likely was exposed."
So she was exposed by someone who later developed a rash?
Complications Associated with Measles
It is important to receive a measles vaccine because measles can lead to life-threatening complications, such as pneumonia and encephalitis (inflammation of the brain). In the United States, about two in 1,000 people die from measles annually. In fact, measles is the fifth leading cause of death and sickness in children worldwide, reports the Better Health Channel (Better Health).
Other complications associated with measles may include:
ear infection
bronchitis
miscarriage or preterm labor
decrease in blood platelets
blindness
severe diarrhea
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