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Old 07-04-2015, 11:22 AM
 
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Did you watch the video at all? She wore a partial veil which allowed her face to be completely recognizable. All it covered was her hair and her neck. Her face was completely recognizable by a person and by a camera.

The bigotry and racism of the rest of your post is not worth responding to, but does show who and what you are. Maybe you need to read the Constitution and also understand what July 4th signifies.
It covered her hair. In other words, no one knew what color her hair was or how long it was. If she were up to no good, she could have robbed the place, then when she was out of sight, could have taken off her head scarf and not be recognized. You are not aware that when police put out a description of a criminal, they mention hair color and length of hair? I'm surprised that you didn't know this

How is it "bigotry and racism"--- considering that there is no such race as "Muslim"? Yet, if a man or woman went into the place with a cap that covered his/her hair completely, you would hold them to a double standard and expect them to remove it.
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Old 07-04-2015, 12:03 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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It covered her hair. In other words, no one knew what color her hair was or how long it was. If she were up to no good, she could have robbed the place, then when she was out of sight, could have taken off her head scarf and not be recognized. You are not aware that when police put out a description of a criminal, they mention hair color and length of hair? I'm surprised that you didn't know this

How is it "bigotry and racism"--- considering that there is no such race as "Muslim"? Yet, if a man or woman went into the place with a cap that covered his/her hair completely, you would hold them to a double standard and expect them to remove it.
So what. Ever hear of "wigs". Married Orthodox Jewish women wear them to cover their heads when in public as part of their religion. Should they remove their wigs so that their actual hair (or lack of) is shown? How about the numerous Christian sects where women wear bonnets that cover their hair as part of their religious beliefs? How about a Sikh male who wears a Dastar which is mandatory as part of their religion?

Yet in thread after thread only Muslims are singled out and yet we never hear a word about other religions that wear head coverings also in public and don't take them off either.
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Old 07-04-2015, 12:09 PM
 
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So what. Ever hear of "wigs". Married Orthodox Jewish women wear them to cover their heads when in public as part of their religion. Should they remove their wigs so that their actual hair (or lack of) is shown? How about the numerous Christian sects where women wear bonnets that cover their hair as part of their religious beliefs? How about a Sikh male who wears a Dastar which is mandatory as part of their religion?

Yet in thread after thread only Muslims are singled out and yet we never hear a word about other religions that wear head coverings also in public and don't take them off either.
They, too, need to respect the rules of such businesses. Again, you hold them to a double standard.

So, according to you, if someone were to create a religion called the church of baseball that requires every member to always wear a baseball cap, they, too, should get an exception to the rules.

I guess that you also think that these businesses should allow someone who is wearing a full burka to continue to wear it while entering their business?
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Old 07-04-2015, 01:36 PM
 
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They, too, need to respect the rules of such businesses. Again, you hold them to a double standard.

So, according to you, if someone were to create a religion called the church of baseball that requires every member to always wear a baseball cap, they, too, should get an exception to the rules.

I guess that you also think that these businesses should allow someone who is wearing a full burka to continue to wear it while entering their business?
You, including the owners/employees of the business listed in the thread, do not know the difference between a head covering that covers the hair (and maybe neck) only as the woman was wearing and a hat that has a brim. Since hats have brims and the cameras are at a location near the ceiling these type of hats not only cover the face up to a point but also create a shadow that darkens the face underneath. As to your baseball cap scenario, there is already a religion in place that wears a hat with a brim. They wear a secondary head covering underneath it so if they do hit this type of situation the hat can come off and still be wearing a head covering.

Why do threads like this mention Burkas (correct term is Abaya when only the eyes are seen), but never mention a Salwar Kameez, a Saree, a Kurta, a Manteau, a Thawb, a Keffiyeh, a Bonnet, a Kippah, a Taqiyah, etc...

Just more "bigotry and racism".
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Old 07-04-2015, 05:08 PM
 
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You, including the owners/employees of the business listed in the thread, do not know the difference between a head covering that covers the hair (and maybe neck) only as the woman was wearing and a hat that has a brim. Since hats have brims and the cameras are at a location near the ceiling these type of hats not only cover the face up to a point but also create a shadow that darkens the face underneath. As to your baseball cap scenario, there is already a religion in place that wears a hat with a brim. They wear a secondary head covering underneath it so if they do hit this type of situation the hat can come off and still be wearing a head covering.

Why do threads like this mention Burkas (correct term is Abaya when only the eyes are seen), but never mention a Salwar Kameez, a Saree, a Kurta, a Manteau, a Thawb, a Keffiyeh, a Bonnet, a Kippah, a Taqiyah, etc...

Just more "bigotry and racism".
Ummm...not all hats have "brims" Caps like these shown below can completely cover someone's hair:

https://www.google.com/search?q=phot...Q&ved=0CB0QsAQ

You are the one who doesn't know that there are hats that can totally cover one's hair

You are wrong as to what a "burka" is. See the photos below:

https://www.google.com/search?q=phot...e1E4iNMqiUc%3D

Once again, pay attention---it's not "racism". Islam is not a race. Yet you keep screaming "racism!" because you have no valid argument.
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Old 07-04-2015, 06:06 PM
 
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So what. Ever hear of "wigs". Married Orthodox Jewish women wear them to cover their heads when in public as part of their religion. Should they remove their wigs so that their actual hair (or lack of) is shown? How about the numerous Christian sects where women wear bonnets that cover their hair as part of their religious beliefs? How about a Sikh male who wears a Dastar which is mandatory as part of their religion?

Yet in thread after thread only Muslims are singled out and yet we never hear a word about other religions that wear head coverings also in public and don't take them off either.
When Sikhs start crashing Airplanes into sky scrapers we can start worrying about them too
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Old 07-04-2015, 06:18 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Ummm...not all hats have "brims" Caps like these shown below can completely cover someone's hair:

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You are the one who doesn't know that there are hats that can totally cover one's hair

You are wrong as to what a "burka" is. See the photos below:

....

Once again, pay attention---it's not "racism". Islam is not a race. Yet you keep screaming "racism!" because you have no valid argument.
You are simply highjacking this thread into absurdity from one based on religion. The Orthodox in nearly every religion has someone wearing a head covering. If she were a Amish white woman wearing a bonnet, she would not have been noticed. A hijab is not a hat, it's a traditional Islamic headscarf covering the head and hair, but not the face. If she were wearing a veil that covered her face, then that is different type of situation and where security concerns would've stepped in.

Living in a secular society doesn't mean you are free from people having religion and expressing it in various ways and degrees.
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Old 07-04-2015, 06:42 PM
 
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You are simply highjacking this thread into absurdity from one based on religion. The Orthodox in nearly every religion has someone wearing a head covering. If she were a Amish white woman wearing a bonnet, she would not have been noticed. A hijab is not a hat, it's a traditional Islamic headscarf covering the head and hair, but not the face. If she were wearing a veil that covered her face, then that is different type of situation and where security concerns would've stepped in.

Living in a secular society doesn't mean you are free from people having religion and expressing it in various ways and degrees.
More excuses. I'm not hijacking this thread, I was making counterarguments to your nonsense.

I've explained to you why the entire head needs to be exposed in that situation. Yet you keep repeating the same thing over and over. If you don't understand, please read my post where I explained the problem with not having one's hair showing if that person were to commit a crime.

You are again repeating all the religions that have head coverings---and again, read my thread where I said if having a head covering when going into a business that deals in cash is a problem, then they will expect everybody to not have a head covering in that situation.

Now, you can go round and round over and over again with the same thing but you are wasting your time.
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Old 07-04-2015, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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What will probably happen is what has happened in other states. The Banker's Association of said state will loosen their rules saying the headscarf is acceptable. See Oklahoma for one example where a woman claimed discrimination and that was the end result.
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Old 07-05-2015, 04:12 AM
 
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You, including the owners/employees of the business listed in the thread, do not know the difference between a head covering that covers the hair (and maybe neck) only as the woman was wearing and a hat that has a brim. Since hats have brims and the cameras are at a location near the ceiling these type of hats not only cover the face up to a point but also create a shadow that darkens the face underneath. As to your baseball cap scenario, there is already a religion in place that wears a hat with a brim. They wear a secondary head covering underneath it so if they do hit this type of situation the hat can come off and still be wearing a head covering.

Why do threads like this mention Burkas (correct term is Abaya when only the eyes are seen), but never mention a Salwar Kameez, a Saree, a Kurta, a Manteau, a Thawb, a Keffiyeh, a Bonnet, a Kippah, a Taqiyah, etc...

Just more "bigotry and racism".
Islam is not a race. And you don't really need to ask why this practice might be unacceptable.

Same reason that you can't enter certain stores with a hoodie or even a costume on Halloween.
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