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Old 07-26-2015, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Plenty of us tried to do something after the sandy hook shooting, we called our congress critters and demanded that schools be protected by armed guards or police,(you know like the ones they have at there kids private schools).
But the *******s started screaming like little girls, i guess armed guards didn't fit there agenda of using dead children as an excuse to ban guns.
So here we sit with many of our schools protected by nothing more than a "gun free zone" sign, while the libs gleefully await the next school shooting so they can push their gun ban agenda.
Oh and by the way I care enough to send my kid to a private school with armed security at great financial cost to my family, Unlike the *******s I guess I'm not willing to sacrifice my kid for the cause.


Bill

SHES was a live drill that was televised. No one died and Adam Lanza is imaginary. CNN had a camera on a helicopter flying overhead during the time everything was supposedly happening. No EMS or medical action of any manner, no bloody bodies taken to triage, no kids evacuating to safety - 500 of them and nothing of real substance. The public knows and believes what CNN broadcast. Any other reports were but recycled CNN news reports.

Columbine was an actual school shooting as was UVA. They had something SHES didn't; credible reporting of what actually happened. There was physical proof, real funerals and no mass charities online within hours.

The SHES incident was PSYOPS and nothing more.
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Old 07-26-2015, 07:20 PM
 
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If you work in education then you should know better than to say what you're saying. The thought that you are imparting such warped views on children is far more damaging and scary than whatever is it you fear.

If you say "most" then you need some stat to back that up or it means nothing. But that is how you play the game. You go to some kid who looks up to you, trusts you and you tell them most kids would be horrified to see a gun and because you "work" in education they believe you.

Talk about child abuse. It is abuse of trust, abuse of authority and the list goes on and on. Shameful at the least.

Real kids? Are there fake kids or do you mean kids who might learn how to use firearms, get into the firearms sport and so on. Those would be the fake kids?

The hole you're digging keeps getting deeper.
I don't impose my views on others thanks very much either where I worked before or here where I worked now unlike some in society!. I teach them to read, write and the French language as well as ensure they fulfil their potential so you know nothing for a start. I pick them up when they have fallen over, comfort them when they are sad about something, play with them and make them laugh as well as make learning fun and report any issues to relevant people if their are issues at home.

You know nothing about some of the children I have had to work with, some have been neglected at home and are in care, some go hungry as their parents don't have enough money to make sure they have breakfast or a snack so get off your child abuse stupidity as we actually have in my time saved a couple of children from coming to harm in their environment or made sure they have not gone hungry ,yes I'm really evil I am .Child abuse,and abuse of trust get a grip!

The only time guns get mentioned in an education environment where we have worked is when discussing history and world wars or maybe when kids say what they want to do as a living and declare they want to go in the military etc.I would not respond with "oh don't do that you need to fire a gun" I would encourage them to achieve their dream. Or we are talking about personal safety.

You know they would be scared because I have a friend who was talking about it the other night.When her child saw her dads gun sticking out of the back of his pants she screamed and started crying, she is 11. The other parents agreed their child would have reacted in the same way.


You think what you like if it makes you feel better , same way as everyone is a liberal who doesn't agree with not having guns.
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Old 07-26-2015, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Why have we not seen this happen in countries with stricter gun laws, better mental healthcare access and better social programs?

Socialist countries with totalitarian rulers?
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Old 07-26-2015, 07:24 PM
 
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I don't impose my views on others thanks very much either where I worked before or here where I worked now unlike some in society!. I teach them to read, write and the French language as well as ensure they fulfil their potential so you know nothing for a start, . The only time guns get mentioned in an education environment where we have worked is when discussing history and world wars or maybe when kids say what they want to do as a living and declare they want to go in the military etc.I would not respond with "oh don't do that you need to fire a gun" I would encourage them to achieve their dream. Or we are talking about personal safety.

You know they would be scared because I have a friend who was talking about it the other night.When her child saw her dads gun sticking out of the back of his pants she screamed and started crying, she is 11. The other parents agreed their child would have reacted in the same way.


You think what you like if it makes you feel better , same way as everyone is a liberal who doesn't agree with not having guns.
Anecdotal information does not a trend or generally accepted behavior make.

I have a friend who said something and others agreed saying if it happened the result would be the same.

Wow. No wonder others got you to believe such things so easily. An educator should know better.
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Old 07-26-2015, 07:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Magritte25

Snip "Might as well accept the fact that mass shootings are now as common as muggings and assaults in this country. "

That would be a lie.

It isn't a fact. It isn't even close to being a fact. That it is a lie, is a fact though. Get past the "not correct", "untrue" and all the politically correct facades so often used, sometimes things said are lies and that is one of them. No need to sugar coat it.

What is wrong is that people can tell lies and then when called out on it, the lie doesn't become the issue, citing it does.

Telling a lie isn't courteous, in the spirit of any discourse and pretending it is anything else is just as bad.
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Old 07-26-2015, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Its a private military school, not a normal state school. No normal state schools in the UK have shooting practice or wish to. Most kids chose to do martial arts or self defence classes.
I did martial arts, judo. Got to the point where I was teaching military police troops hand to hand when I was in the Navy. As previously stated, I also did rifle team.
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Old 07-26-2015, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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I don't impose my views on others thanks very much either where I worked before or here where I worked now unlike some in society!. I teach them to read, write and the French language as well as ensure they fulfil their potential so you know nothing for a start. I pick them up when they have fallen over, comfort them when they are sad about something, play with them and make them laugh as well as make learning fun and report any issues to relevant people if their are issues at home.

You know nothing about some of the children I have had to work with, some have been neglected at home and are in care, some go hungry as their parents don't have enough money to make sure they have breakfast or a snack so get off your child abuse stupidity as we actually have in my time saved a couple of children from coming to harm in their environment or made sure they have not gone hungry ,yes I'm really evil I am .Child abuse,and abuse of trust get a grip!

The only time guns get mentioned in an education environment where we have worked is when discussing history and world wars or maybe when kids say what they want to do as a living and declare they want to go in the military etc.I would not respond with "oh don't do that you need to fire a gun" I would encourage them to achieve their dream. Or we are talking about personal safety.

You know they would be scared because I have a friend who was talking about it the other night.When her child saw her dads gun sticking out of the back of his pants she screamed and started crying, she is 11. The other parents agreed their child would have reacted in the same way.


You think what you like if it makes you feel better , same way as everyone is a liberal who doesn't agree with not having guns.
You work in Utah, right ?

I can bet you the majority of your 11 year old boys did not just "saw" a gun, they have one (most likely a .22LR rifle). People usually start teaching their kids at 8-9, when they are old enough to understand instructions and follow rules. Especially in Utah.

So, do you think your class is full of little murderers ? Or boys who will grow into men that are honest, law abiding, and know how to use their guns safely ?

My eldest son has been shooting a rifle I bought for him since he was 10. I just started him on handguns. He is a good shooter but he doesn't really seem to have interest in guns. That's perfectly fine with me. At least he learned firearms safety, he knows to respect them and not treat them as toys, and if ever needed, he will be able to use one to defend himself. He's an honest, (sometimes too honest ), compassionate, hard working boy, and I hope one day will grow up into an honest, compassionate, hard working adult. And if he's an armed adult, he's not going to be a danger to society, just the opposite.

Have you ever tried to go to a shooting range, try it for yourself, and talk to people there ? At the very least, this could be a fresh new experience for you.
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Old 07-26-2015, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Not nearly as many as we have. Not even close.
Count the populations of all 4 countries and tell us the difference. We have more live births everyday as well as more people who die of old age. duh....
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Old 07-26-2015, 08:31 PM
 
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Anecdotal information does not a trend or generally accepted behavior make.

I have a friend who said something and others agreed saying if it happened the result would be the same.

Wow. No wonder others got you to believe such things so easily. An educator should know better.
Its not an anecdote like a story you tell at a wedding it was a truth and I'm big enough to form my own opinions for myself, my stance on things is what I believe not what others tell me to believe. Hence why I still decide to live my life the way I choose even if it does not fit with the majority and the people involved are not all anti guns quite the opposite . Actually she was not even aware they had a gun either , she had no problem with it but she did have a problem with the kids seeing it
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Old 07-26-2015, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Try walking around Naples or some parts of Glasgow Marseille and parts of Paris can also be seriously rough. And don't go anywhere near a football match between Dutch teams Ajax and Feyenoord. On one occasion the violence was so bad that the Dutch police had to use their weapons.

The rate of violent crime in the UK, for example, is double that of the USA. However, it is far less likely to be deadly because of the absence of guns. With the exception of some of our cities, the USA is a pretty safe and peaceful place to live. The problem is that our criminals are often armed and none of the gun control proposals I have heard tell us how they are going to take weapons away from criminals.

1. I heard a few heads explode upon reading this tidbit of info. Euro police actually resort to employing weapons?
I was lead to believe it was all "Please and thank you, sir" outside of this nation. Then again, those stating so don't really know.


2. How easy is this to assimilate? Why do people want to live outside of the cities? My brother has a spread in south TX and it is quiet as can be. I live in a suburb in MD just south of DC and it is always quiet here. My neighbors, black and white, and I are vigilant about it. Not vigilante but we keep an eye out.
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