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The information you have is incorrect. I rather doubt it matters to many, if any, who want access to abortion. But it is still wrong.
you might want to try googling it. it is a medical fact. pain receptors are not formed until the 3rd trimester. unless of course you want to get your info from biased right to life sites. try real medical information for the truth.
Fetal tissue used to cultivate vaccines are likely from Planned Parenthood. Is this why PP is not being charged with selling human body parts? What do you think? Is it ethical?
The cells used to grow viruses for vaccines came from exactly two abortions done years ago, one in 1961 and one in 1965. Neither of those abortions was done to provide tissue for that purpose.
"In total only two fetuses, both obtained from abortions done by maternal choice, have given rise to cell strains used in vaccine development. Neither abortion was performed for the purpose of vaccine development."
"Two main human cell strains have been used to develop currently available vaccines, in each case with the original fetal cells in question obtained in the 1960s. The WI-38 cell strain was developed in 1961 in the United States, and the MRC-5 cell strain (also started with fetal lung cells) was developed in 1965 in the United Kingdom. No new or additional fetal cells are required in order to sustain the two cell strains.
Fetal tissue from Planned Parenthood is not being used to make vaccines.
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They say that the abortion is voluntary so it should be fine but who is to say this is ethical?
All that it takes to make use of fetal tissue from an abortion for medical purposes is the consent and knowledge of the woman having the abortion. The abortion should not be performed solely to provide the tissue, and the woman having the abortion should not be paid for donating the tissue.
The facility doing the abortion should be paid a reasonable fee for processing the tissue.
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"'The reason is that the risk to public health, if one chooses not to vaccinate, outweighs the legitimate concern about the origins of the vaccine,' the center's position statement continued. 'This is especially important for parents, who have a moral obligation to protect the life and health of their children and those around them.'"
That is the position of the Catholic Church, which finds using vaccines in which cell lines descended from aborted fetuses is ethically permissible because of the tremendous health benefits of vaccines. It suggests that Catholics should encourage vaccine makers to find alternative ways to make vaccines.
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Is using fetal tissue (for a profit) ethically fine just because it is used in research? For vaccines or medication... Where do we draw the line?
The line is drawn at a financial cut point that reasonably compensates the facility which obtains the tissue for the cost of doing so.
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Don't some kids actually die from measles, chicken pox etc.?
Yes.
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Very rarely.
Only because the majority of parents vaccinate their children.
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Medical waste is one thing but the parents of said medical waste sign a waiver knowing that the fetus is "medical waste" so how many people who have an abortion know that their fetus is being sold for it's parts. After all, the person paid X amount for said abortion but then the clinic turns around and charges X amount to sell the fetus' body parts? Is that immoral or just double dipping?
Nucatola [the Planned Parenthood doctor] repeatedly talks about affiliates only wanting to provide a service to their patients, who elect to donate the tissue for medical research, and not having that service impact their bottom lines. She says that it’s 'not a new revenue stream the affiliates are looking at' and that 'nobody should be "selling" tissue. That’s just not the goal here.' She says some affiliates might donate the tissue for free."
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"We also asked experts in the use of human tissue for research about the potential for profit. Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s 'biorepository,' told us that 'there’s no way there’s a profit at that price.' She continued in an email:
Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee."
The women who are having the abortions are donating the tissue. Planned Parenthood is not profiting from it.
Free nerve endings, the “alarm buttons,” begin to develop at about seven weeks' gestation1,2; projections from the spinal cord, the major “cable” to the brain, can reach the thalamus (the lower alarm) at seven weeks' gestation.3 An intact spinothalamic projection might be viewed as the minimal necessary anatomical architecture to support pain processing, putting the lower limit for the experience of pain at seven weeks' gestation.
Would anyone be that much more for or against abortion if the fetal tissue was just incinerated?
I never really thought about what happened to the tissue before. I'm somewhat grossed out by the news, but this doesn't change my mind about abortion. It's not exactly a cuddly and cute subject, so I'm not terribly surprised what happens leans toward the gruesome side of things.
Health care in general is kind of disgusting so I imagine this particular thing is up there.
The anti-vax posse will start any thread that supports their anti-science views. Vaccines save lives, fetal tissue is not being "sold". But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.
Free nerve endings, the “alarm buttons,” begin to develop at about seven weeks' gestation1,2; projections from the spinal cord, the major “cable” to the brain, can reach the thalamus (the lower alarm) at seven weeks' gestation.3 An intact spinothalamic projection might be viewed as the minimal necessary anatomical architecture to support pain processing, putting the lower limit for the experience of pain at seven weeks' gestation.
You conveniently left out the very next paragraph and the rest of the article, which totally negates your contention that a fetus can feel pain in your time frame.
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At this time, however, the nervous system has yet to fully mature. No laminar
structure is evident in the thalamus or cortex, a defining feature of
maturity. The external wall
of the brain is about 1 mm thick and consists of an inner and outer layer with
no cortical plate. The neuronal cell density of the outer layer is much higher
than that of a newborn infant or adult and at seven weeks' gestation has yet to
receive any thalamic projections. Without thalamic projections, these neuronal
cells cannot process noxious information from the periphery.periphery
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Never liked or trusted Planned Parenthood when I learned it was established to "help" diminish the black race. Nope. I can't get with something rooted in that much bigotry and hate.
Has anyone on City Data proven the link between Planned Parenthood and chemtrails? It seems like there are a lot of smart people here who would be good at that kind of thing. The truth needs to get out.
If someone is opposed to abortion then it would make sense that they would not wish to be made a part of that abortion and "benefiting" from it.
I don't understand this mentality from the pro-birth crowd AT ALL! Given that abortions ARE going to happen, and they are, why would you not want something positive to come from the action?
Are you worried that this will make people sway to "pro-choice?" Or is it just a matter of being obtuse and not accepting that its benefits society because it comes from abortion?
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