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Old 11-30-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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Regarding the climate, the global warming believers hang their belief on people claiming to be experts - rather than one's own observation.
I'm not a climatologist and have done no research into the field so i am left to believe what those scientists in the field tell us eg;=
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring...al-warming.php

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The National Centers for Environmental Information contains the instrumental and paleoclimatic records that can precisely define the nature of climatic fluctuations at time scales of a century and longer. Among the diverse kinds of data platforms whose data contribute to NCEI's resources are: Ships, buoys, weather stations, weather balloons, satellites, radar and many climate proxy records such as tree rings and ice cores. The National Oceanographic Data Center contains the subsurface ocean data which reveal the ways that heat is distributed and redistributed over the planet. Knowing how these systems are changing and how they have changed in the past is crucial to understanding how they will change in the future. And, for climate information that extends from hundreds to thousands of years, paleoclimatology data, also available from the National Centers for Environmental Information, helps to provide longer term perspectives.
IMO people who bring this level of study to the issue are more plausible/believable than those few who use only opinion and rogue agendas to refute the findings of the vast majority of the scientific community.
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:08 PM
 
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(Yawn...) I'm still not arrogant enough to believe that I can (or did) change the weather.
What climatic consequence if any do you believe mans use of 100 million barrels of fossil fuel per day has on our climate?
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:12 PM
 
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Umm... I hate to be the bearer of common sense here, but they are using a PHYSICIST to pooh pooh on Climate science. That'd be akin to relying on a Chemist to deny the Theory of Evolution, or a Biologist to crap all over the Theory of Relativity.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:13 PM
 
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Disclaimer: I am NOT a climate scientist-just a lowly engineer who has designed and operated a primary standards calibration lab. I am used to very precise measurement of many parameters (inculding temperature). I do know and have worked with a few real climate scientists and they are unbiased, honest and dedicated to their studies. That being said, "they" are not the problem, typically it is the higher ups.

So, is climate change real? Of course-that has always been and always will be the case. Do those that support it as being man-made, have an agenda? Yes-get more grant money. What happens to the research when they don't get anymore financing? Are there any "climate scientists" doing research on their own dime??? Not that I am aware of-it would be prohibitively expensive. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't some of these "esteemed" scientists that currently support it, previously support global cooling??? Were they wrong? Haven't some of these "respected" experts been caught manipulating data? Are they or are they not depending heavily on models (constructed by said scientists)?

I think the subject is certainly worthy of study but at this point in time I am not convinced and believe it to be far from settled. Think about this: How many of the predictions made 20 years ago have come to pass?

This is a really, really complicated issue and to say we have the answers at this time is just plain foolishness.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:25 PM
 
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Umm... I hate to be the bearer of common sense here, but they are using a PHYSICIST to pooh pooh on Climate science. That'd be akin to relying on a Chemist to deny the Theory of Evolution, or a Biologist to crap all over the Theory of Relativity.
The theory behind "Climate Change" is all physics, and nothing but physics, so the use of a physicist is totally appropriate.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:36 PM
 
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With almost all scientists agreeing the Earth is warming as a direct consequence of mans activities combined with headlines around the world proclaiming the highest temperatures on record, i'm inclined to err on the side of caution and agree with the global warming crowd.
https://www.google.ca/#safe=active&q=warmest+on+record
Actually its been widely reported by the NYT and other media outlets and confirmed by numerous weather offices including Britains Met Office that the earth hasnt warmed for 16 years or more..

Not one study or scientist can prove that mans activities contributed to the most recent warming trend

Its been significantly warmer and colder in the past than it currently is, so we are not experiencing the highest temperatures on record.

You erring on the side of lies....not caution.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:42 PM
 
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What climatic consequence if any do you believe mans use of 100 million barrels of fossil fuel per day has on our climate?
None.

Even if I was to believe that it does effect the climate its such as small amount that its laughable to be concerned about it.

A single volcano eruption can inject more greenhouse gases than man has in his entire history.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:54 PM
 
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Umm... I hate to be the bearer of common sense here, but they are using a PHYSICIST to pooh pooh on Climate science. That'd be akin to relying on a Chemist to deny the Theory of Evolution, or a Biologist to crap all over the Theory of Relativity.
Thats not common sense. Its a misunderstanding of what a Physicist does. They study matter, energy and time and how it relates. In other words its the basics of how our climate operates. So its more akin to a nuclear physicist explaining how a nuclear reactor works.
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Old 11-30-2015, 04:04 PM
 
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"Climate Change" is just a Trojan Horse for Leftist social engineering.

The well intentioned 'ecology movement' of the 1970's has devolved into a Stalinist control machine.
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Old 11-30-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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Umm... I hate to be the bearer of common sense here, but they are using a PHYSICIST to pooh pooh on Climate science. That'd be akin to relying on a Chemist to deny the Theory of Evolution, or a Biologist to crap all over the Theory of Relativity.
Atmospheric Physics.

Here's an example: Atmospheric Physics - Department of Physics - UMBC
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