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Old 12-19-2015, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Mental retardation, birth defects, mongolism, are all part of the history of mankind, long before antibiotics, antidepressants and Aspertame. Somehow, modern man has this fantasy that they can eliminate cancer, aging, handicaps, deformities and a host of other things. They have this delusion that they can overcome all these diseases, aging, Alzheimers etc. and they can stop dying. Its a pipe dream. Only in Jesus is there eternal life.
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Old 12-19-2015, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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It used to be the consensus that NO pills, drugs, alcohol, etc. be taken during pregnancy but here we see drugs and vaccines are given. Why? A fetus is developing and shouldn't be introduced to ANY toxins. The fact that ALL doctors say to stay away from tuna yet they then recommend a flu shot or meds is hypocritical.

Connection or causation isn't the issue. In one breath a person will condemn a pregnant woman for smoking and also for not getting a flu shot! That's insane. Both are risks to the unborn. Same with alcohol versus meds. One is demonized and one is recommended. ALL TOXINS should be avoided during pregnancy.
I don't "condemn" a woman for either thing...or having the occasional drink! You need to better define what a toxin is. Few if any medicines are toxic at prescribed levels - exceptions for things like cancer chemo, etc. Also, depending on your exact definition of "toxic" you'd find a good number of foods regularly eaten as well as various herbal additives that so many people take without question! It's actually a very gray area - doctors and patients should have discretion until more research is done.
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Old 12-19-2015, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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I don't "condemn" a woman for either thing...or having the occasional drink! You need to better define what a toxin is. Few if any medicines are toxic at prescribed levels - exceptions for things like cancer chemo, etc. Also, depending on your exact definition of "toxic" you'd find a good number of foods regularly eaten as well as various herbal additives that so many people take without question! It's actually a very gray area - doctors and patients should have discretion until more research is done.
I don't "condemn" a woman either but my stance will always be that nutrition and avoidance of anything "unnatural" should be of the utmost importance during pregnancy. I feel it is pretty obvious that taking drugs (prescribed or OTC or illegal) during pregnancy can cause harm.

Some would say that a glass of wine ONCE during pregnancy is more harmful than a pill each day. I would disagree. I think just due to quantity that the pill each day is a greater threat to the fetus. If you take drugs for high blood pressure there is a chance your baby will then have low blood pressure or other problems.

We really have no idea how harmful these drugs taken for the mom's issue are for a healthy baby. There are other ways to treat all ailments besides medication so if there is a gray area, wouldn't it be best to avoid medication altogether?
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Old 12-19-2015, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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My granddaughter would not be here if not for Cesarean section. Nutrition will not prevent urinary infections, women get pregnancy induced high blood pressure (toxemia) and diabetes, and they sometimes end up in the hospital with things like pneumonia and flu.

That you really think that a flu shot did anything to your baby shows how little you know about vaccines. I notice you never answered the questions I asked about your labor.

Cesarean section:

Cesarean Sections in the U.S.: The Trouble with Assembling Evidence from Data - Scientific American Blog Network
To each their own. I didn't answer your questions because I don't have to and you are rude to even ask.
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Old 12-19-2015, 02:37 PM
 
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Proof!
Her neurologist......
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Old 12-19-2015, 02:40 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Given enough time and money, you could produce a study with evidence to show that twirling your ring finger 7 times in a circle each morning while pregnant causes autism.
LOL. My thoughts exactly. Autism is so overdiagnosed now every little thing is claimed to be linked to it. As for the "The use of X is linked to Y" results study, let me remind every one that a study indicating that X is linked to Y means just that: in the study, they found that X was linked to Y. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't mean X CAUSES Y. In this case, in this one study, the Canadian doctors found an increased risk between these moms taking SSRIs and autism in their babies. Does taking the SSRIs cause autism? Maybe, maybe not. It's important for the reader to determine if the study's validity and reliability. Simply reading an article summarizing the study's results doesn't tell us the facts, thus reading the study itself is much more helpful (the article didn't provide a link to the journal article, so I'm taking its conclusions with several grains of salt).

What was the sample size? A sample size of 300 participants is a lot more reliable than a sample size of 3 participants. How old were the mothers? Maternal age may be a factor. Were they IV drug users or moms who were taking very good care of their health during their pregnancies? If they were shooting coke while pregnant, that could have caused the autism. You get my point.
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Old 12-19-2015, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Don't believe it.

People who suffer from clinical depression are more likely to have autistic kids, so of course that could he twisted into people who take anti-depressants during pregnancy are more likely to have autistic kids.
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Old 12-19-2015, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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LOL. My thoughts exactly. Autism is so overdiagnosed now every little thing is claimed to be linked to it. As for the "The use of X is linked to Y" results study, let me remind every one that a study indicating that X is linked to Y means just that: in the study, they found that X was linked to Y. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't mean X CAUSES Y. In this case, in this one study, the Canadian doctors found an increased risk between these moms taking SSRIs and autism in their babies. Does taking the SSRIs cause autism? Maybe, maybe not. It's important for the reader to determine if the study's validity and reliability. Simply reading an article summarizing the study's results doesn't tell us the facts, thus reading the study itself is much more helpful (the article didn't provide a link to the journal article, so I'm taking its conclusions with several grains of salt).

What was the sample size? A sample size of 300 participants is a lot more reliable than a sample size of 3 participants. How old were the mothers? Maternal age may be a factor. Were they IV drug users or moms who were taking very good care of their health during their pregnancies? If they were shooting coke while pregnant, that could have caused the autism. You get my point.
It's a big study.

The abstract is here; full article is behind a pay wall.

JAMA Network | JAMA Pediatrics | Antidepressant Use During Pregnancy and the Risk of Autism Spectrum Disorder in Children

"A total of 145 456 singleton full-term infants born alive and whose mothers were covered by the Régie de l’assurance maladie du Québec drug plan for at least 12 months before and during pregnancy were included."

One factor is that anti-depressant use was defined as filling a prescription. I cannot tell if they adjusted for prescriptions filled but never used. Any doctor will tell you that filling a prescription does not guarantee the patient will take it. Also, how many took a few doses, then stopped?
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Old 12-19-2015, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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You all know nothing of Autism. Autism is a way of being, a neuro identity, and I am a proud Autistic. You all should be ashamed of your selves. Nothing causes Autism, just like nothing causes "you" to be neurotypical. We are who we are.
Carmen, no one who wants to understand the biology behind autism is trying to put down anyone with autism. The fact is that for many with autism - and their families - life is very difficult. If there is something that can be done to prevent those difficulties, do you not think we should do it?

Personally, however, I am convinced that autism is genetic. You were born as you are. I am dubious that we will find any simple "cause" for it and that money spent chasing causes might better be spent helping people with autism maximize their personal potential.
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Old 12-19-2015, 11:52 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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Current research finds a positive correlation between maternal depression and pediatric diagnoses of autism and ADHD. Depression is positively correlated with low-level inflammation. Immune disorders, which cause chronic inflammation, have skyrocketed in recent decades. Could these conditions result from maternal dysregulation of the immune response? If so, then preventing maternal inflammation might dramatically decrease cases of autism and ADHD.
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