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Old 07-24-2017, 04:49 PM
 
Location: St. Louis Park, MN
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Originally Posted by Crazee Cat Lady View Post
Just hearing and reading about this...no way can I even open it and watch this video.
Only inhumane Monsters would do such a horrible thing.
I can't even imagine what it takes for a person to get that low....Pathetic.
The Cruelty and lack of empathy should be investigated....because this is not normal.

I don't blame you. I watched about halfway and had to close it. I had enough when I heard the man's last cries for help. It is gut wrenching.

Some people say it was a suicide. That doesn't make it any better. If you see someone trying to kill themselves the right thing to do is to do whatever it is in your power to help. If someone is on the ledge of a bridge about to jump into an icy river, you don't mock them and laugh, you go to them, try to reason with them, hold their hand, or at least dial 911.

Failure to do anything, is doing something, and its allowing someone to die without any effort.

 
Old 07-24-2017, 06:48 PM
 
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Unbelievable. I wish I could unsee that.
Makes me sick just to think about it. No way I'll watch it. I heard about it.
 
Old 07-24-2017, 07:09 PM
 
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If the persons involved are laughing at another man drowning, said persons are far gone. Prison time won't change them.
 
Old 07-24-2017, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Hutto, Tx
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If you swam out to get him, and your efforts failed, chances are he would have pulled you down with him. Are willing to die for a perfect stranger?
I would at least have the decency to report the incident.
 
Old 07-25-2017, 05:29 AM
 
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I would at least have the decency to report the incident.
Just throwing this out there. How do we know those teenagers didn't push that man into the water?
 
Old 07-25-2017, 05:50 AM
 
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I watched Gangland alot, and one particular episode took place in Miami. Zoe Pound. This is a direct quote from North Miami Beach PD Detective Jodi Schuster.

Their mentality is 'If I kill you, what can the state do to me? They can kill me. So once, I've killed you, if I kill 14 more people, what can the state do to me? They can only kill me one time' "

Those gangsters aren't afraid of the death penalty, in which Florida has and will use. If those teenagers are laughing while another man drowns, it leaves this to wonder. Do said teenagers themselves care if they live or die?
 
Old 07-25-2017, 05:51 AM
 
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If the persons involved are laughing at another man drowning, said persons are far gone. Prison time won't change them.
I watched the video. I see it differently. Living in Florida I would not go into that water to rescue anyone except possibly my own family member and then I would probably drown with them. That man was in the middle of the pond. I would have no idea how deep it is. He obviously couldn't stand up in it. My son trains lifeguards. When he rescues people even in pools, they sometimes struggle and fling and kick their legs. Were it not for the float that guards carry they probably would not be able to save as many people.


These kids were across the pond on the other side. They were not with this man. They did not force him into the water. From the sounds of it he was willingly on his own walking deeper and deeper into the water to kill himself. At the end, he may have gotten scared and called for help, but had a person gone out to try to save him, he more than likely would have kicked and fought them off and possibly drowned them too. Remember the person who swims out to rescue him also has to have the strength to carry him back to shore without anything to keep them afloat. The person would fight the whole way. 2 people dead does not make the situation better.

As for the taunting. They see him go in. They yell out to him to not do it. They warn him about gators. They are more in disbelief that he is going in where they fear to go themselves. I hear what people say is taunting as nervousness and disbelief. I would have stood on the side yelling at the man, too. I might even have laughed nervously that he was not stopping when I realized he was really committing suicide and that he was not trying to swim to save himself when he started yelling for help. Can any of you tell me that when you see someone do something that is risky that you have not actually laughed at them and called them a crazy son of a *itch when they succeeded or fell on their face? Thinking how the show Ridiculous and Jack Ass movies have made money getting people to do just that.

Yes, they should have called 911 to report it, but that is all. All you saying otherwise would you go in? Would you go in if you do not know how to swim? We do not if they could swim. I am hitting 70. Would you expect me a 5 ft old person to swim out and rescue that full grown man? These were young kids. Would it be better that they died too? You cannot guarantee that that would not be the case. Here in Florida where people get into trouble in the water so often, it is often the rescuer that drowns.
 
Old 07-25-2017, 05:57 AM
 
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I watched the video. I see it differently. Living in Florida I would not go into that water to rescue anyone except possibly my own family member and then I would probably drown with them. That man was in the middle of the pond. I would have no idea how deep it is. He obviously couldn't stand up in it. My son trains lifeguards. When he rescues people even in pools, they sometimes struggle and fling and kick their legs. Were it not for the float that guards carry they probably would not be able to save as many people.


These kids were across the pond on the other side. They were not with this man. They did not force him into the water. From the sounds of it he was willingly on his own walking deeper and deeper into the water to kill himself. At the end, he may have gotten scared and called for help, but had a person gone out to try to save him, he more than likely would have kicked and fought them off and possibly drowned them too. Remember the person who swims out to rescue him also has to have the strength to carry him back to shore without anything to keep them afloat. The person would fight the whole way. 2 people dead does not make the situation better.

As for the taunting. They see him go in. They yell out to him to not do it. They warn him about gators. They are more in disbelief that he is going in where they fear to go themselves. I hear what people say is taunting as nervousness and disbelief. I would have stood on the side yelling at the man, too. I might even have laughed nervously that he was not stopping when I realized he was really committing suicide and that he was not trying to swim to save himself when he started yelling for help. Can any of you tell me that when you see someone do something that is risky that you have not actually laughed at them and called them a crazy son of a *itch when they succeeded or fell on their face? Thinking how the show Ridiculous and Jack Ass movies have made money getting people to do just that.

Yes, they should have called 911 to report it, but that is all. All you saying otherwise would you go in? Would you go in if you do not know how to swim? We do not if they could swim. I am hitting 70. Would you expect me a 5 ft old person to swim out and rescue that full grown man? These were young kids. Would it be better that they died too? You cannot guarantee that that would not be the case. Here in Florida where people get into trouble in the water so often, it is often the rescuer that drowns.
Even if it wasn't a good idea for him to go in the water, laughing at him displays a sociopath mindset.
 
Old 07-25-2017, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Even if it wasn't a good idea for him to go in the water, laughing at him displays a sociopath mindset.
This, exactly.

This is no better than someone who comes across a wreck with dying people in the cars and just stands there and films them dying rather than calling 9-1-1. It's "failure to render aid" and it's a crime.
 
Old 07-25-2017, 06:32 AM
 
Location: NY>FL>VA>NC>IN
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Even if it wasn't a good idea for him to go in the water, laughing at him displays a sociopath mindset.
I concur. They are probably headed down a similar path as the facial tatted drowned man.

However I suspect the man who comitted suicide was a thug (look him up) and his relatives with their GoFundMe (that is a grammatical/spelling horror; they couldn't even take the time to spell it right they were so eager to "get paper") that was at $36K when I looked last night, are goiters on society's neck.
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