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It appears from facebook pages (so not necessarily reliable) that this thing started when the victim confronted the assailant with sharing nude photos of a girl. In anger, the victim broke the assailant's chromebook in half.
Then the fight started.
It also appears from comments that if the fight weren't caught on camera, people would hardly be able to believe the assailant did this - his reputation is apparently a very good one.
Interesting to see where this goes.
I glossed over this, and it's probably the most important reply in the thread. Regardless of whether or not the facebook pages prove to reliable, the fact that they exist is precisely why there needs to be a proper investigation and why the online "instant gratification" crowd that wants to see him in jail for life immediately, or complain that the school has not expelled him yet, needs to understand that these things take time. He'll get his just punishment, but you can't make a mistake that the defense can exploit in any criminal trial. Because then the victim would not get justice, would he?
I glossed over this, and it's probably the most important reply in the thread. Regardless of whether or not the facebook pages prove to reliable, the fact that they exist is precisely why there needs to be a proper investigation and why the online "instant gratification" crowd that wants to see him in jail for life immediately, or complain that the school has not expelled him yet, needs to understand that these things take time. He'll get his just punishment, but you can't make a mistake that the defense can exploit in any criminal trial. Because then the victim would not get justice, would he?
Yes, or the school district raked over the coals in a civil trial. I'm sure they removed the bully from class pending an investigation.
The difference was you could leave, go home, whatever...With social media they have access 24/7, and kids can do things they really couldn't years ago. And telling them to get rid of their social media accounts isn't going to work either.
The other thing (I think) is that as far as I understand it, kids aren't really taught that its ok to defend themselves anymore.
Kids not learning to defend themselves is a big problem, back in the day, parents would teach their kids to handle these things, teach them how to fight, and NEVER to go crying to the school or teachers, but with parents today being so extremely overprotective and sheltering of their kids, the slightest problem, the parents take over and think they can solve the problem for the kids.
Kids not learning to defend themselves is a big problem, back in the day, parents would teach their kids to handle these things, teach them how to fight, and NEVER to go crying to the school or teachers, but with parents today being so extremely overprotective and sheltering of their kids, the slightest problem, the parents take over and think they can solve the problem for the kids.
Even IF you fight back, and considering you're trained, your child (the one being bullied) will be punished due to two things.
One being the BS zero tolerance rules which basically mean if you fight back and defend yourself, you get in as much trouble as the instigator.
The second being the idea/stigma behind someone who knows how to fight. You, in peoples eyes, should know better and be able to control yourself because apparently fighting as a hobby/self defense training means you're a super human with the patience of a thousand saints. You CAN'T hit back anymore.
It's parents having to think on whether or not they want their kid to risk being expelled now. If you hit and they find out you took a single martial arts/self defense class, YOU'RE the one in more trouble than the jackass who found messing with you a fun hobby. YOU'RE the one risking being expelled. YOU'RE the one having to be talked to for using unnecessary violence. The bully is treated like the poor victim and we move on.
You can't do **** if you're being bullied these days but hope to catch them outside of school or hope they move on. They can damn near slam you in a locker and not get into trouble, you push back in defense and you're in ISS.
Kids not learning to defend themselves is a big problem, back in the day, parents would teach their kids to handle these things, teach them how to fight, and NEVER to go crying to the school or teachers, but with parents today being so extremely overprotective and sheltering of their kids, the slightest problem, the parents take over and think they can solve the problem for the kids.
It's the zero tolerance/antibullying crap that reinforces this.
It's why everyone stands around and does NOTHING. Because if they stepped in, they would also be expelled/suspended.
Parents who send their kids to public schools and then are SHOCKED at this behavior have no one but themselves to blame. Because as a parent you are condoning this behavior, approving of it and ALLOWING it to continue.
As a parent it is your job to ensure kids know when to do what's right. But it is increasingly clear that schools have taken over parenting. Because kids act according to school rules. Not what's right.
30 years ago no one needed an assembly and worksheets and role playing to figure out what a bully is. See where it gets you? Passive kids who tolerate bullying. Inversion.
It's the zero tolerance/antibullying crap that reinforces this.
It's why everyone stands around and does NOTHING. Because if they stepped in, they would also be expelled/suspended.
Parents who send their kids to public schools and then are SHOCKED at this behavior have no one but themselves to blame. Because as a parent you are condoning this behavior, approving of it and ALLOWING it to continue.
As a parent it is your job to ensure kids know when to do what's right. But it is increasingly clear that schools have taken over parenting. Because kids act according to school rules. Not what's right.
30 years ago no one needed an assembly and worksheets and role playing to figure out what a bully is. See where it gets you? Passive kids who tolerate bullying. Inversion.
Example: A kid shoves your kid. Your kid shoves back. You get called in and your child is punished and told to apologize or write a letter of apology or whatever zero tolerance punishment garbage your school endorses.
As a parent, do NOT accept this. Your child did nothing wrong, so why are they punished and told to apologize?
Teach your child self defense is appropriate. Teach your child to stick up for kids who are getting picked on. Teach the school that self defense is appropriate and to deal ONLY with the kids who START trouble.
Back your kid's APPROPRIATE behavior. And don't back down form the school's idiotic requests. As a PARENT get the policies changed. If 25% of school parents did this, they could get policy changed.
Example: A kid shoves your kid. Your kid shoves back. You get called in and your child is punished and told to apologize or write a letter of apology or whatever zero tolerance punishment garbage your school endorses.
As a parent, do NOT accept this. Your child did nothing wrong, so why are they punished and told to apologize?
Teach your child self defense is appropriate. Teach your child to stick up for kids who are getting picked on. Teach the school that self defense is appropriate and to deal ONLY with the kids who START trouble.
Back your kid's APPROPRIATE behavior. And don't back down form the school's idiotic requests. As a PARENT get the policies changed. If 25% of school parents did this, they could get policy changed.
With zero tolerance, your kid will get in as much trouble as the bully for striking back
Do not accept this? It's the law, there's no choice
Do you have kids in the public school system? Just asking because things really are different now in a lot of ways
As far as getting parents to object, good luck with that. And even if you could, again, a lot of this stuff is written into state law now
With zero tolerance, your kid will get in as much trouble as the bully for striking back
Do not accept this? It's the law, there's no choice
Do you have kids in the public school system? Just asking because things really are different now in a lot of ways
As far as getting parents to object, good luck with that. And even if you could, again, a lot of this stuff is written into state law now
Is it law or is it school policy? Regardless as parents you CAN change it. if you want.
And no, I do not have kids in public schools. For a lot of reasons. This is one of them. Your kid is not safe if he can't defend himself.
Are YOU safe if you can't defend yourself? Why do you think it's OK for your child to be in that situation? It's not, it's INSANE.
Schools get away with stuff that if parents did the same thing, CPS would be called on them. And until parents start being ACTIVE in schools it won't change. You are right about that.
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