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I'd have just loved to see someone offer her a $20, watch her pop up out of her seat and get the whole bus moving.
In all honesty, I don't know her malfunction so who am I to judge.
Anyone posting here has likely had realtives with dementia or other issues so perhaps while we strive to find a bad guy in these things there just isn't one.
Just unbelievable, the sense of entitlement - apparently, not only millenials can be blamed for 'taking care of numero uno' since this is an older lady. Video of incident, including the bus driver attempting to reason with her, in the link:
I didn't realize she had a shopping cart. It is too bad someone didn't grab it and start to move it toward whatever direction they wanted her to go in. You know she would have hopped up in an effort to grab it, then someone else could have just popped into the seat until the man in the wheelchair could be secured there.
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I couldn’t see the video, but was there really another place where she could have put her shopping cart? Maybe that’s why she wouldn’t move.
I was in the doctor’s office yesterday and saw a skinny little guy trying to get a man in a wheelchair out the exterior door. A number of men were sitting close by and no one offered to help. That surprised me. I was too far away to get there in time to help the guy, or I would have. Sad what our world has come to.
I used to drive the city-bus in Seattle. One route I was driving had a lady who was totally blind, she had a seeing-eye-dog. This old Dude would keep calling to the dog, really distracting the dog and ticking the lady off. She asked him to stop, told him it was a service-dog. I finally had to talk to him, like he was some sort of child, just basically telling him to knock-it-off.
What does that mean "legally allowed"?
I doubt any law per se allowed her to remain in that particular seat when someone who could only use that area needed it.
Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) regulations at 49 C.F.R. Section 37.167(j)
I will quote it for you. She was 100% within her legal rights.
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(j)
(1) When an individual with a disability enters a vehicle, and because of a disability, the individual needs to sit in a seat or occupy a wheelchair securement location, the entity shall ask the following persons to move in order to allow the individual with a disability to occupy the seat or securement location:
(i) Individuals, except other individuals with a disability or elderly persons, sitting in a location designated as priority seating for elderly and handicapped persons (or other seat as necessary);
(2) This requirement applies to light rail, rapid rail, and commuter rail systems only to the extent practicable.
(3) The entity is not required to enforce the request that other passengers move from priority seating areas or wheelchair securement locations.
(4) In all signage designating priority seating areas for elderly persons and persons with disabilities, or designating wheelchair securement areas, the entity shall include language informing persons sitting in these locations that they should comply with requests by transit provider personnel to vacate their seats to make room for an individual with a disability. This requirement applies to all fixed route vehicles when they are acquired by the entity or to new or replacement signage in the entity's existing fixed route vehicles.
[ 56 FR 45621, Sept. 6, 1991, as amended at 58 FR 63103, Nov. 30, 1993]
I'd have just loved to see someone offer her a $20, watch her pop up out of her seat and get the whole bus moving.
In all honesty, I don't know her malfunction so who am I to judge.
Anyone posting here has likely had realtives with dementia or other issues so perhaps while we strive to find a bad guy in these things there just isn't one.
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Dementia or other related brain disorders are no excuse to do anything you want without consequences. I've know people who had such maladies and they'd be mortified to have acted that way.
This is not some innocent victim who didn't have a clue. She obviously uses the bus to get to the market, was able to ambulate with a cart, bring it on the bus, and be headed back home.
As I pointed out in a previous post, had she gotten on the bus and someone was in that seat, she would not have chosen to get off the bus and waited for another. No, she would have picked another seat, just like the ones being offered to her.
Instead once she had that seat she decided no one was going to move her.
It is too bad the cops were not called to make her move or be arrested. Ingrates like that need to be taught a lesson, otherwise they will continue to think they can get away with anything.
Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) regulations at 49 C.F.R. Section 37.167(j)
I will quote it for you. She was 100% within her legal rights.
The ADA accounts for civil remedies, and even if "elderly people" are entitled to better seating (which I agree with BTW), they should be required to move to make room for people in greater need like the disabled.
Frankly, I am not even sure what constitutes an elderly person, but clearly it was not designed to give them priority over wheelchair bound people, just because of their age alone.
Sure as we all get older the body breaks down and we have aches & pains, but this woman (despite whatever issue she may have) clearly was capable of moving to another seat under her own power. Yet she stubbornly decided to stay put, and left a poor physically disabled man on the side of the road to wait for another bus.
As it stands I would have figured out some way to get her out of that seat without physically molesting her. (God help some able-bodied man doing that if I were there)
I'd probably take her cart and move it toward the area where another seat was open, and the minute she got up to retrieve it, have someone waiting to sit in it until the driver could secure the guy in the chair in that area.
At least there were people trying to get her to move. I just wish someone had figured out a way to do it.
Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) regulations at 49 C.F.R. Section 37.167(j)
I will quote it for you. She was 100% within her legal rights.
I have seen some able-bodied elderly people refuse to give up their seat to a young person with a disability. I think that's shameful of them, but I suppose they are within their legal rights.
But I'd also be curious to find out what is defined as "elderly". There is no age given. I don't consider people in their 60s to be elderly.
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