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Old 01-16-2020, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Philippine Airlines Flight 434
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip...nes_Flight_434

Zacharias Moussaoui
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui

9/11. (I trust you don't need a link for this one.)

"Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...s-plot-n296396

The Flying Imams.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-122902-7522r/

"Underwear Bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Farouk_Abdulmutallab

The American Airlines mechanic sabotage case.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...ht/2696944001/


Shall I go on?
You do realize there are almost 2 billion Muslim people, right? I'm sure we can pull up a bunch of links highlighting Christian terrorists too but that would be just as meaningless.
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:27 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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OK it’s up to you, but friendship with me will be very beneficial for you,” the man offered. “I can always give you good seats, access to the lounges, and free drinks.”

Lol; dude hook me up with free miles & I'll play. He's being weird & pushy but I've endured much creepier.

What is going on with guys anyway? I'm literally a middle-aged mom & some of the comments I get on my posts. I can say this much though; guys from the ME are SO much better at compliments.

The guy from my own hometown about my profile pic: 'F*ck you are a Goddess.'

The guy literally named Ahmed about my profile pic: "A red rose in the window. Very very cute lips. Brilliant beautiful eyes. Long lovely hair. You like a virgin. A beautiful butterfly. Millions hugs."

I'm a 52-year-old mom of 11 kids. So much for the virgin butterfly.
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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Her argument seems to be that the airline was also in the wrong. She’s suing for negligent hiring and presumably using or trying to use a respondeat superior argument for sexual harassment where she’s saying that his employer is responsible for his actions in the capacity he was in at the time he did this. Idk if it will work since that doctrine has certain rules and he was off duty and not on the job at the time this happened which could impact her case if this is what she’s saying but I assume this is what they’re trying to do. If you are trying to get damages for any case you will not go after someone with little to no assets if there’s an entity or individual involved that can also be held liable that has assets. This is a really common thing to do when filing a lawsuit, not unusual at all.

Again not sure what exactly she’s looking for but it’s possible she either is only going after the airline because she sees a larger problem here than just the guy who harassed her or she knows that he is less likely to be able to pay and that his employer, who she is also blaming, can pay because they’re a large corporation.
I suspect the airlines could have made this go away at some point. They might not have responded as sympathetically as they could have, or might not have offered something valuable as a peace offering.
I am just guessing here.

The airline did act promptly in taking this idiot off the plane, and firing him. And yes, she has a right to sue. But if this guy has no disciplinary record, I am not sure what real grounds she has.
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Way up high
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She's got no basis for a lawsuit. Some guy got her number and text her a bunch. The airline is not a babysitter. Block him and move on with your life lady. It isn't that hard.
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Old 01-16-2020, 03:56 PM
 
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Yet another reason to make sure you never leave your baggage unattended.

OK, I'm kind of joking here. The victim did nothing wrong and did nothing to deserve this harassment. The creep must have gotten very close to her at some point, in order to read her information on her luggage tag. I'm guessing he sat next to her at the gate and made note of the information when she wasn't looking.

That said, I don't support suing American Airlines. It sounds like they did everything right. When the victim reported the harassment to a flight attendant, the attendant immediately found out who was doing it and put a stop to it. Then the harasser was escorted off the plane. Then he was fired. Realistically, what else could the airline have done? Except for not hiring someone named "Ahmed" in the first place, which I think in general would be a good idea. (Yeah, I went there. I don't trust Muslims around airplanes. Actually, I don't trust them around most anything.)
I agree that American Airlines should not be sued. That is opportunistic on her part. She knows it's an individual issue not an irresponsible company with employees harassing passengers gone wild.
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According to her lawsuit against the carrier, she learned the off-duty employee, identified as "Ahmad," took her contact information from the luggage tag on her carry-on bag and used that information to harass her via text message.
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Doesn't this mean any creep, girl, boy, or adult passenger can take a peek at someone's carry-on luggage and harass them later? Is American, United and the rest responsible for this too? If it's the second or third time he's done it she has a very good case.

Why not sue the luggage company too because they didn't provide an option to hide her contact information?
This is definitely an out of control individual, not the airline company. You can train and teach them all day but they can still remain a troubled person and end up doing what they want the first time any company.

Another problem is any regular person can look in their overhead bin and those nearby, see your info tag, and maybe figure out a person's home address. Odds are the home may be unoccupied since you're on the plane and they'll contact someone to rob you or hurt relatives.

What I have always done is use a dedicated voicemail number and P.O. box on luggage tags since I've flown. You can also use an internet based phone number for your luggage that you can change if Mr. Strange Dude or Woman starts harassing you.

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Old 01-17-2020, 08:41 AM
 
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I suspect the airlines could have made this go away at some point. They might not have responded as sympathetically as they could have, or might not have offered something valuable as a peace offering.
I am just guessing here.

The airline did act promptly in taking this idiot off the plane, and firing him. And yes, she has a right to sue. But if this guy has no disciplinary record, I am not sure what real grounds she has.
Yeah I’m skeptical of their liability, only pointing out that they can possibly be liable if she has evidence proving why. So it’ll be interesting to see, assuming we are updated in the news, what happens with this. It seems they did everything right but the claims she’s making require them to have known about him doing this or having more responsibility and knowledge than it seems they did so I wonder what if any evidence of this she actually has. If she can prove it and the airline was in the wrong in some way I am all for this suit. But it’s her burden and not necessarily an easy one.

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She's got no basis for a lawsuit. Some guy got her number and text her a bunch. The airline is not a babysitter. Block him and move on with your life lady. It isn't that hard.
He wasn’t “some guy” he was an employee of the airline.
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Old 01-17-2020, 08:57 AM
 
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What I read from one source that upon arrival to their destination, she reported what happened to a flight attendant who then remarked "this is not the 1st time he has done this."
If this behavior was known to American and nothing was done on previous occasions, maybe she does have a case. I'm not going to pretend to know the laws around things like this but if I found out that I was not the 1st, I would be angry.
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Old 01-17-2020, 09:07 AM
 
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What I read from one source that upon arrival to their destination, she reported what happened to a flight attendant who then remarked "this is not the 1st time he has done this."
If this behavior was known to American and nothing was done on previous occasions, maybe she does have a case. I'm not going to pretend to know the laws around things like this but if I found out that I was not the 1st, I would be angry.
Exactly, and to actually move forward with her suit she needs to have evidence of whatever she claims so 1. I hope it exists and 2. if so I’m curious what it is.
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Old 01-17-2020, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Texas
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If a passenger had done what this airlines employee did, he would have been kicked off the plane and arrested, and handcuffed.

There is no reason an airlines employee should get away with behavior that passengers wouldn't be able to get away with.
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Old 01-17-2020, 09:10 AM
 
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The article says that someone from the airline contacted her. And she says that she wanted more information, and she was being put off.


Trying to put myself in her shoes...first and primarily, I would want to know that (a) Ahmad doesn't have my information anymore, and (b) is he fired?


Maybe I'm not reading the article right, but it's not clear to me that THAT information was conveyed to the victim. The article says that after the investigation, Ahmad was fired...but was that conveyed to the lady? Maybe that's what the "negligent hiring" charge comes from?
That’s probably a lot of the problem. A lot of these corporations are probably completely nonresponsive and dismissive until someone files a lawsuit. Sometimes it’s a necessity just to get them to listen to you.
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