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Fast food burger and pizza places have packaging designed for to go / delivery business. A sit down restaurant probably does not. I can imagine your food sliding around on the way home not exactly looking appetizing by the time you dig in, not to mention getting cold. No thanks I am fine cooking at home until this is over.
And there is always that chance ever so slight of catching the virus ordering takeout. I don't think we know for sure that it is not possible.
While I won't argue with your points because, they are valid.. We *DO* need people eating out now when they normally wouldn't to keep some of these places from going away.
I've been eating out far more during this whole situation. Trying to stick to locally owned restaurants. Your corporate owned places.. They're going to make it through for the most part. But the small mom-and-pops.. They're really needing all the business they can get.
I've heard the part about people saying buy gift certificates, but.. Yeah, I fall into the group that won't do that because if the place does go under, you've basically made a donation.
There's certain places I'd keep a wide berth from. Your cold-food shops (Subway, etc).. Sushi places.. Anything that's cold prepared food seems a bit much of a gamble for me.
And don't forget that many of your chain restaurants can be locally O&O. So, you can't make the blanket "I'm not eating at McDonalds because they're a big corporation".. I'm fine with not eating at McD's because the food sucks.. But it could be someone in your community that owns that McDonalds. So, don't assume because they have a big name they're going to be fine.
While I won't argue with your points because, they are valid.. We *DO* need people eating out now when they normally wouldn't to keep some of these places from going away.
I've been eating out far more during this whole situation. Trying to stick to locally owned restaurants. Your corporate owned places.. They're going to make it through for the most part. But the small mom-and-pops.. They're really needing all the business they can get.
I've heard the part about people saying buy gift certificates, but.. Yeah, I fall into the group that won't do that because if the place does go under, you've basically made a donation.
There's certain places I'd keep a wide berth from. Your cold-food shops (Subway, etc).. Sushi places.. Anything that's cold prepared food seems a bit much of a gamble for me.
And don't forget that many of your chain restaurants can be locally O&O. So, you can't make the blanket "I'm not eating at McDonalds because they're a big corporation".. I'm fine with not eating at McD's because the food sucks.. But it could be someone in your community that owns that McDonalds. So, don't assume because they have a big name they're going to be fine.
I don't think McDonalds has much to worry about in this country! I actually tried to go to drive through on my way back from UPS last week, and as soon as I tuned in I saw at least 20 cars in 2 lines. Did a quick U-turn! Our local pizza place (one of very few that deliver to us) was closed, although I didn't pull in to read the handwritten sign in the window. Our favorite Chinese restaurant seems 10 times busier than before, we were told to come in an hour after we placed our order the other day. I almost went into a convenience store when I was getting gas, it's a regional chain with good sandwiches (was going to get a meatball sub, not cold) but as I watched a steady stream of people pouring in and out, I thought better of it.
I worry about our local diner, but really we are trying not to spend too much, and takeout dinner there would be $35-$45 plus tip. Chinese is cheap with what we get. One $5 quart of wonton is 2 meals by itself, and egg rolls remain a bargain at a little over $1.00 even though they're the size of soup cans.
This is absolutely true. My husband is a GM of a restaurant that it trying to survive using carry out. It is abysmal. In our area, we know of at least 2 restaurants that will not be re-opening. If the it goes on much longer, there will be more.
Then those guys are nuts. With the amount of loans, grants, and incentives being given out, they should be able to reopen. I would imagine they were going to close anyway. My family is also in the restaurant business. Our company did shut down one of our restaurants in a difficult market.
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A local mall is basically empty with the exception of Cheesecake Factory, Macy's and a movie theater. I go to the movies about once a week, and no matter what day or time I go, there is always a crowd of people outside Cheesecake Factory waiting for a table.
And it's not like they shut down, they're still doing takeout orders. With the amount of people who eat there every day, I would think they'd still be doing pretty decent, especially since they can greatly reduce their staff during this time.
Cheesecake Factory's menu is ingredient heavy. The Spring Rolls alone have about sixty ingredients including the sauces. It's the expensive back of the house labor that is making those and not the $3 an hour wait staff. They are losing money staying open but cash is still flowing.
I don't think McDonalds has much to worry about in this country! I actually tried to go to drive through on my way back from UPS last week, and as soon as I tuned in I saw at least 20 cars in 2 lines. Did a quick U-turn! Our local pizza place (one of very few that deliver to us) was closed, although I didn't pull in to read the handwritten sign in the window. Our favorite Chinese restaurant seems 10 times busier than before, we were told to come in an hour after we placed our order the other day. I almost went into a convenience store when I was getting gas, it's a regional chain with good sandwiches (was going to get a meatball sub, not cold) but as I watched a steady stream of people pouring in and out, I thought better of it.
I worry about our local diner, but really we are trying not to spend too much, and takeout dinner there would be $35-$45 plus tip. Chinese is cheap with what we get. One $5 quart of wonton is 2 meals by itself, and egg rolls remain a bargain at a little over $1.00 even though they're the size of soup cans.
Even larger chain fast food joints cannot survive being shut down for weeks at a time, especially when there is no timeline on re opening!
Many of these places are doing drive thru (like McDs), but they are still loosing LOTS of money from their dining rooms being closed.
Plus, you also have to consider, even though some restaurants and fast food joints may be doing good right now...but given the state of the economy in general...they will be dragged down with the rest of the sinking ship when it goes down. I think we are going to be amazed at how connected everything truly was after this, it will be like watching dominoes falling, one business going under will directly and indirectly impact others, those will impact others too, and so on and so on down the line.
Whats really scary to think about, is the GLOBAL economy and what conditions its going to be in when this is said and done...so the US could be in good shape, but since the global economy is so bad, it may drag the US down with it.
Everything is really 'up in the air' right now, until we have some kind of rough time line, its a crap shoot.
Then those guys are nuts. With the amount of loans, grants, and incentives being given out, they should be able to reopen. I would imagine they were going to close anyway. My family is also in the restaurant business. Our company did shut down one of our restaurants in a difficult market.
Cheesecake Factory's menu is ingredient heavy. The Spring Rolls alone have about sixty ingredients including the sauces. It's the expensive back of the house labor that is making those and not the $3 an hour wait staff. They are losing money staying open but cash is still flowing.
There are a lot of problems already with the small business loans. Banks have not even been given guidance yet regarding how they were going to be given out, and many of them are saying that they are not going to extend loans except for people that they’ve already done business with. It’s probably going to be at least several weeks or longer before people figure out the bureaucracy of this and the money actually starts getting into their hands. By that time any of them will already be closed for good.
Not talking about cheesecake factories etc or other corporate chains.
A corporation making a rent strike? How does that work exactly? Cheesecake factor had a net income of $130 million in 2019 with a 7% profit margin.
Who are they striking against? Local real estate companies, smaller business leasing companies, part of our local communities. They aren't striking against THE MAN, it's THE MAN striking against us.
It's kinda funny to me how they've co-opted "can't pay rent" into "won't pay rent". Kinda one and the same, isn't it? I guess "won't pay rent" kind of salves the pride maybe.
No. It’s completely different. Can’t pay rent doesn’t mean you don’t want to pay the rent. It means you’re unable to pay due to not having the financial means.
Won’t pay rent means you’re unwilling to pay the rent regardless of the financial ability.
You can’t sit here and say that all of the sudden people are just “wont pay rent” mentality. No. There are a few people who are sing this as a chance of “getting back at the man” but these people are the types who are financially screwed up even in good times.
I for example will keep paying my mortgage. I’m affected by the CV19 but my finances are still good. I’ll keep paying my bills even though I can probably defer and play games. I simply choose not to waste my time with bs antics.
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No. It’s completely different. Can’t pay rent doesn’t mean you don’t want to pay the rent. It means you’re unable to pay due to not having the financial means.
Won’t pay rent means you’re unwilling to pay the rent regardless of the financial ability.
You can’t sit here and say that all of the sudden people are just “wont pay rent” mentality. No. There are a few people who are sing this as a chance of “getting back at the man” but these people are the types who are financially screwed up even in good times.
I for example will keep paying my mortgage. I’m affected by the CV19 but my finances are still good. I’ll keep paying my bills even though I can probably defer and play games. I simply choose not to waste my time with bs antics.
Getting back at the man=getting back at those who made an effort to do better than they did to make themselves feel better.
No. It’s completely different. Can’t pay rent doesn’t mean you don’t want to pay the rent. It means you’re unable to pay due to not having the financial means.
Won’t pay rent means you’re unwilling to pay the rent regardless of the financial ability.
You can’t sit here and say that all of the sudden people are just “wont pay rent” mentality. No. There are a few people who are sing this as a chance of “getting back at the man” but these people are the types who are financially screwed up even in good times.
I for example will keep paying my mortgage. I’m affected by the CV19 but my finances are still good. I’ll keep paying my bills even though I can probably defer and play games. I simply choose not to waste my time with bs antics.
Well, those who are going on strike are saying "Won't pay rent" aren't they? If, in some locals (St. Louis, for example) deferrments for rent are being allowed, then why would those renters decide to go on strike? Because they've decided they WON'T pay rent.
Or, maybe I'm not getting it.
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