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Old 03-02-2022, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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I understand and agree that the native bird population needs to be protected from feral cats in HI. However, that differs from your position on cats and "how much grief humans should be forced to tolerate from them", which seems to be a negative attitude applied toward all cats, IMHO.
Birds are not the only creatures negatively affected by the half-million feral cats here. They are the only mammals that spread toxoplasmosis, which is killing endangered seals, dolphins, and other species.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2016/08/ho...angered-seals/

https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/news/...ing-monk-seals

Cat fanciers here are quick to dismiss concerns about our dying bird population by pointing out that many of the bird species are non-native as well. As if we should be willing to do without any birds in order to allow the cat population to continue unchecked.

I passed 3 freshly run-over cats on the highway, going to work this morning. If you've never lived in a place that is overrun by feral cats, perhaps you fail to realize the depth of the problem. As I mentioned earlier, many of them are starving, mangy, and often missing limbs and eyes.

I know one person who deep-fried a turkey at Christmas. He left the covered pot of grease on his patio to cool. By morning the lid was off and there were 6 drowned cats in it. I also know of schools and resorts that find dead cats in their can recycling bins. They crawl in searching for food and are unable to get out, then die miserable deaths.

Should we allow their numbers to continue to explode, when the only other viable alternative is to exterminate many of them?

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Old 03-02-2022, 09:06 PM
 
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Birds are not the only creatures negatively affected by the half-million feral cats here. They are the only mammals that spread toxoplasmosis, which is killing endangered seals, dolphins, and other species.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2016/08/ho...angered-seals/

https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/news/...ing-monk-seals

Cat fanciers here are quick to dismiss concerns about our dying bird population by pointing out that many of the bird species are non-native as well. As if we should be willing to do without any birds in order to allow the cat population to continue unchecked.

I passed 3 freshly run-over cats on the highway, going to work this morning. If you've never lived in a place that is overrun by feral cats, perhaps you fail to realize the depth of the problem. As I mentioned earlier, many of them are starving, mangy, and often missing limbs and eyes.

I know one person who deep-fried a turkey at Christmas. He left the covered pot of grease on his patio to cool. By morning the lid was off and there were 6 drowned cats in it. I also know of schools and resorts that find dead cats in their can recycling bins. They crawl in searching for food and are unable to get out, then die miserable deaths.

Should we allow their numbers to continue to explode, when the only other viable alternative is to exterminate many of them?
This is why there are programs in check to spay and neuter populations of cats. People are not "allowing numbers to explode".
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Old 03-02-2022, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Birds are not the only creatures negatively affected by the half-million feral cats here. They are the only mammals that spread toxoplasmosis, which is killing endangered seals, dolphins, and other species.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2016/08/ho...angered-seals/

https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/news/...ing-monk-seals

Cat fanciers here are quick to dismiss concerns about our dying bird population by pointing out that many of the bird species are non-native as well. As if we should be willing to do without any birds in order to allow the cat population to continue unchecked.

I passed 3 freshly run-over cats on the highway, going to work this morning. If you've never lived in a place that is overrun by feral cats, perhaps you fail to realize the depth of the problem. As I mentioned earlier, many of them are starving, mangy, and often missing limbs and eyes.

I know one person who deep-fried a turkey at Christmas. He left the covered pot of grease on his patio to cool. By morning the lid was off and there were 6 drowned cats in it. I also know of schools and resorts that find dead cats in their can recycling bins. They crawl in searching for food and are unable to get out, then die miserable deaths.

Should we allow their numbers to continue to explode, when the only other viable alternative is to exterminate many of them?
I’m a cat person and I actually agree with some of your points. I still don’t see how an enraged, non-feral cat that had the police called on it has anything to do with your localized issue with feral cats. If you want to discuss your issue with feral post it in the cats forum, the Hawaii forum, the psychology forum, the nature forum, or on here on a separate thread. Don’t hijack this thread.
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Old 03-03-2022, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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I’m a cat person and I actually agree with some of your points. I still don’t see how an enraged, non-feral cat that had the police called on it has anything to do with your localized issue with feral cats. If you want to discuss your issue with feral post it in the cats forum, the Hawaii forum, the psychology forum, the nature forum, or on here on a separate thread. Don’t hijack this thread.
This thread is already dying a natural death.

There is another thread about Hawaii's cats.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/hawai...ound-oahu.html
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Old 03-03-2022, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Kansas City MO
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I can't believe Newsweek actually considered this a newsworthy story to print.
It must have run out of pro-administration propaganda to distribute on the day they ran the cat story. Or perhaps was still formulating its debate article on whether to get a fourth covid shot.
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