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Funny, I did think suicide here because the story didnt make a lot of sense. But I decided against it because I think this would be a horrible way to die. I think one issue is the facts are clearly not straight in the article so we are all having a conversation that is based on bad info.
The first thing I thought is how easy it would be to kill someone with this.
Yup. Apparently it doesn't taste bad when deathly-overloaded with product, otherwise he would have spit out the first sip. The article claims he took one sip then downed the rest.
We blame the consumer because he is to blame. If he didn't understand how much product to consume, he shouldn't have guessed and taken ten-times the recommended dose. It is ultimately the consumer's responsibility to know what they are putting into their body.
It's strange how leftists keep rejecting the concept of "personal responsibility", as if it's a huge threat to our lives.
I am not a leftist. Far from it. But in this particular situation the miscalculation that this man made was an accident and 100% foreseeable. The fact that the company now includes a dosage scoop with their product indicates that they were negligent in not doing so beforehand.
Personally, I think that the trainer should never have been ingesting pure caffeine in the first place. But he chose to do so and the product should have come with a dosing scoop. If it had, he would be alive today.
Do you have a scale that measures that tiny amount? Honestly? The article states he did NOT have a scale that measured that minute a weight, as most of us don't.
He didn't know how much he was supposed to use. That's why he used a rational amount, about a teaspoon and a half. That's reasonable, considering the product type in general.
You certainly wouldn't put a cough syrup on the market where the dose was 1/8 of a teaspoon, instead of say, a tablespoon.
Or a pain killer tablet where the dose was 1/4 tablet.
I know you get this concept.
Absolutely. The product should have been supplied/packaged in single-dose packets. Like the "Emergen-C" single dose vitamin C powder packages.
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Originally Posted by Zymer
Somebody upstream said that this was only supposed to be sold to businesses, so I'm going to pull this out of my butt and say that the manufacturer expected that the purchaser would be another manufacturer who was going to make something like an energy drink, who would subsequently be making large batches of product utilizing an appropriate dilution rate. It was probably NOT expected that some dumbass muscle-head was going to try spooning it out to make his *own* drink.
I have a scale that is used for very small weights, for weighing gunpowder when I am making ammo, but most people aside from your average neighborhood drug dealer probably don't.
If he was a self-employed personal trainer, he may have qualified as "a business".
The guy went to order from a specialist online retailer to buy a specialized product not aimed at the general public. This wasn't sold at a drug or convenience store. They're not wrong to assume that anyone ordering from them would have some previous exposure to the industry and its practices. In other words, they had reason to believe that such a person would possess the utensils required to safely use the product.
You can buy the type of scale required for this type of product on Amazon for less than 20 bucks. Even many drug addicts have these scales because even a junkie - perhaps especially a junkie - knows how big a difference a few milligram can make when it comes to these substances.
If you have no way of safely determining the size of your dose, then don't use the product.
Caffeine is a drug. Who in their right mind guesses at how much of a drug they should be using, this isn't at all the same as popping a container of Crystal Light and dumping a spoonful of mix into your cup.
I really have my doubts that this was just him deciding that a spoonful or whatever would be 'about right'. It's far more likely that he DID do the math and flubbed the conversion.
(and yes if somebody was confused or guessed that a tablespoon was 'close enough' to a teaspoon they could wind up in trouble after dosing up with cough syrup for 24 hours)
You would be surprised. I'm supposed to take 17 g of one medication daily. The directions say to use the cap to measure it. The problem is that the cap is giant and it has two fill lines way down at the bottom. I think I'm supposed to fill it to the top line, but I'm not even sure, and anyway it's hard to even see the lines way down at the bottom. I have asked my doctor what to do and his response was don't worry about it, just guess.
It's important medication and it can cause side effects, so I would like to get the dosage right. For a while I was measuring out 17 mL, but that was difficult, so then I started just taking 1 tablespoon. But both those systems are probably below the dosage I should be taking. Just recently I finally figured out the solution. Each bottle contains 510 g, 30 doses. So the next time I open a new bottle, I'm going to poor it all into 30 proportion cups as evenly as possible. Then I will seal them all up and have them ready to take each day. I'll know that I'm at least taking the average right amount.
They don't make it easy. I can't believe this type of stuff isn't required to be in individual pre measured packets.
He wasn't scooping out jelly beans.
He was scooping out a drug.
His failure to measure properly is more like a recipe for stupid.
I would think a person whose screen name is Javacoffee would have some serious insight about this.
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