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Old 11-25-2020, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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I surprised? I have cable Tektro brakes on my CX bike and haven’t needed to touch them at all and the bike is 5 years old. Perhaps because I’m usually never riding areas with steep hills.

Most riders love hydraulic brakes for their stopping power but I find the mechanicals work just fine for my riding.
I live in a very hilly area and I weight 240 pounds. That's a lot when an 80 pound ebike goes down those hills. But the bike shop could not understand the need for constant adjustments either, I got them switched a month ago and it was a great decision.
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Old 11-25-2020, 10:19 AM
 
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I live in a very hilly area and I weight 240 pounds. That's a lot when an 80 pound ebike goes down those hills. But the bike shop could not understand the need for constant adjustments either, I got them switched a month ago and it was a great decision.
It’s ironic since most all new bikes come stand with hydraulic brakes, it’s the way the industry is headed and one finger stopping power is nice to have!

Not sure who your eBike is made by?
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Old 11-25-2020, 03:11 PM
 
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Yeah well that "one finger stopping power" also means no ability to modulate. What it really means is "one finger locking up the wheel power".
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Old 11-25-2020, 06:24 PM
 
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Yeah well that "one finger stopping power" also means no ability to modulate. What it really means is "one finger locking up the wheel power".

Yeah, just like how you can't modulate the hydraulic bakes in your car? Have you ever ridden a bike with hydraulic brakes, or driven a car newer than about 1930?
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Old 11-28-2020, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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It’s ironic since most all new bikes come stand with hydraulic brakes, it’s the way the industry is headed and one finger stopping power is nice to have!

Not sure who your eBike is made by?
It is a Biktrix Juggernaut out of Canada. I was talking to the owner to set up my order and asked him if I needed hydro brakes as an add on and he said I did not. That was a mistake but I got it corrected locally. Highly recommend this bike, the 750 W mid drive can grind up the biggest hills here with no problem.

Of course you can modulate these brakes, applying them does not lock up the wheels. Not sure were that came from.
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Old 11-28-2020, 01:48 PM
 
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Yeah, just like how you can't modulate the hydraulic bakes in your car? Have you ever ridden a bike with hydraulic brakes, or driven a car newer than about 1930?
You are correct ❗️Modulation is determined and accomplished by the operator, not the specific braking system.

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Old 12-01-2020, 07:24 AM
 
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You are correct ❗️Modulation is determined and accomplished by the operator, not the specific braking system.
Nope. Wrong.


Yes, the operator has final responsibility but the various amounts of mechanical advantage at different points of lever travel and lever force are determined by the mechanical/hydraulic design of the thing; and those details make a huge difference in the ability of the operator to brake controllably. You would do well to read some of Jan Heine, Jobst Brandt, and John Forester's work.


And as to the snarky comment about old cars, you evidently have never driven a mid-60s full size car with overboosted brakes and steering. If YOUR knowledge extended back before 1995, you would know what I'm talking about.
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Old 12-02-2020, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Sandy Eggo's North County
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Bicycles w/ABS! That's next..

(Wait until the mountain bikers find out ABS on dirt could KILL you...)
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Old 12-02-2020, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Nope. Wrong.


Yes, the operator has final responsibility but the various amounts of mechanical advantage at different points of lever travel and lever force are determined by the mechanical/hydraulic design of the thing; and those details make a huge difference in the ability of the operator to brake controllably. You would do well to read some of Jan Heine, Jobst Brandt, and John Forester's work.


And as to the snarky comment about old cars, you evidently have never driven a mid-60s full size car with overboosted brakes and steering. If YOUR knowledge extended back before 1995, you would know what I'm talking about.
I have no idea what you are going on about, and nobody is going to spend the time researching those people. If you have links of their work as it applies to this conversation than provide it.

All I know is I ride with hydro brakes now and the comment that they lock up the wheel is utter nonsense. On a hill I can apply as much or as little braking power as I like. Just as I can with ever car I have ever owned since 1976.
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Old 12-04-2020, 06:27 AM
 
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I have no idea what you are going on about, and nobody is going to spend the time researching those people. If you have links of their work as it applies to this conversation than provide it.

All I know is I ride with hydro brakes now and the comment that they lock up the wheel is utter nonsense. On a hill I can apply as much or as little braking power as I like. Just as I can with ever car I have ever owned since 1976.
I guess he knows more than the experts that have transformed biking brake systems over the years or perhaps just stuck on old time thinking. No worth discussing with those who have closed minds and unwilling to learn or admit when they are wrong.

And I’m sure he’s never ridden a mtn bike on a technical black diamond single track with different braking systems in order to be able to comment on modulation.
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